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April 11, 2004

What would a week be....

...without talking about Kerry and Catholicism?

Charlotte Allen writes on the matter for the Washington Post

Nonetheless, most bishops are still reluctant to respond publicly to Catholic politicians whose views contradict church teaching -- for all kinds of reasons. One is that Canon 915 of church law makes clear that public denial of Communion is a punishment of last resort, to be invoked only against those who "obstinately persist in manifest grave sin." Those words suggest that the bishop should contact the offender privately first. Moreover, the word "manifest" implies that such a form of ostracism is an inappropriate sanction against mere private citizens who disobey church teachings in their private lives. Then there is the perception that the recent sex scandals have robbed U.S. bishops of their moral authority. Another reason may be that many politicians who support abortion rights are politically liberal on other issues, such as welfare and the death penalty, and thus perhaps acceptable to an episcopate whose members tend to be politically liberal themselves.

But the most likely reason is that excommunication so far has proved to be a two-edged sword. In 1989, Bishop Leo T. Maher of San Diego, Calif., forbade Lucy Killea, a former California Democratic assembly member who was a Catholic and was running for the state Senate, to receive Communion in Maher's diocese because of her opposition to abortion restrictions. Killea cast herself as a martyr of conscience and flew to Sacramento, whose ultraliberal bishop at the time, Francis A. Quinn, assured her that she would not be denied the Eucharist in his diocese.

Killea won that election -- and after the trouncing of Maher, few bishops until recently have considered following his example.

...and...to keep track on a daily basis, we now have the Catholic Kerry Watch Blog , not started by me, but I might contribute now and again.

To restate, once again, why this is important, at least in my mind. It's not important because any one of us, least of all me, are "judging" John Kerry as a worse Catholic than ourselves. Some might have that mindset, but I try very hard not to. I try to see all of us as basically in the same boat. That boat, in case you're wondering, is the Good Ship Catholic, and what that means is that as a passenger on that boat, I'm oriented, not towards what my conscience tells me a good Catholic is all about, but how I can form my conscience so that it reflects more clearly the Mind of Christ.

So the Kerry case reflects the fissure between the modern mindset, which puts self first, and the ancient, traditional stance, which puts what God has revealed at the center of my journey. The basic point here, is that as individual with power, John Kerry is an enabler of legalized, easily-obtainable abortion. He seeks and values the support of abortion advocates and providers. We're not just talking about ideas, although that is not unimportant. We're talking about a person who, when given a choice to support the abortion industry and abortion advocacy groups or not, chooses, by his votes and his stated positions, to support it. He doesn't have to. No one is forcing him to. But he does. This active support of abortion is incompatible with the life of a disciple of Jesus. That's not me talking, by the way. That's the ancient Christian witness to the preciousness of life.

So, the question is, not how do I judge John Kerry on this issue, but how does he stand in relationship to the consistent stance of the Catholic faith on the matter? It's really hard to articulate this problem without sounding like we are putting ourselves in the place of God, or holding Kerry up to unique standards. I think that's why always setting this in a broader context is so important. It's a moment of judgment, if you will, for all of us.

(And, incidentally, this also prompts me to wonder about the inconsistency of various contemporary Catholics who like to appeal to the "early Church" as some sort of ideal standard for the modern Church. Well, the "early Church" had terrifically strict standards for who would be admitted to eucharist and who wouldn't. Yes, we can be reasonably certain that anyone who was in attendance at Eucharist in those early centuries shared in the Lord's Body and Blood. Why? Because those who weren't Christians weren't allowed to be present, and the baptized who had committed serious sins were probably sitting outside the gathering, ashes on their heads, in the middle of their 3-year penances. You want to go back to that? Okay. Let's. That would fix this problem, and quick.)


Further, this is a moment of education as to the nature of Eucharist. What is it? What's interesting is that in these post-Conciliar days, we are constantly reminded that Eucharist is not a private devotion - it is an effective sign of the unity of God's people in Christ.

Exactly.

That's why, in the end, the weight of criticism is not at Kerry, as opportunistic and cynical as his use of this issue may be. It is, once again, on those charged with helping all of us understand and live by it. I wonder, really, if anyone at all, any bishop has yet taken it upon himself to insist - not just suggest - but insist on private meetings with Kerry on this issue. I'll try not to be cynical myself on that issue.

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Nice words, Amy. And I do think they're mostly sincere. But I'll only believe that this isn't in large part a partisan effort to affect the outcome of the 2004 presidential election when I see ALL pro-choice politicians targeted in this way, including Republicans such as Gov. Schwarzenegger.

Kerry is not forcing anyone to have an abortion, whereas Bush allowed the deaths of 152 death row prisoners in Texas and has been responsible for thousands more deaths in Iraq, after having blatantly lied and ignored international law in order to invade a country that was not a direct threat to the US.

I cannot in good conscience vote for Bush. If my bishop tells me not to vote for Kerry, I'll consider abstaining. But I don't think the bishops are going to fall for the current effort to make Holy Mother Church a servant of the Republican Party.

Posted by: Susan at Apr 12, 2004 12:35:50 AM

The fact that Kerry votes for abortion in a particular way does not force or cause someone to have an abortion. I am totally against abortion but criminalizing it is not the answer. Bush's actions and policies are cynical, evil, and verge on idolatry because of his invocation of God. I have prayed that, were I to die in a terrorist attack, that my death be accepted as an act of pennace against the war in Iraq.

Re: Kerry: Were I publicly living in such a way that I was giving scandal to the Church, I would pray for the humility to go to Mass and refrain from receiving Communion. (I pray, first, that I not be led into temptation and not live in a way that would give public scandal to the Church.) I have too much reverence for the Eucharist to profane it.

But Kerry is plainly not a mature Catholic and his decisions are not informed by his Catholicism. That's the danger of a universal Church, you get the sloppy and ill informed and everyone else and not just those who would be martyrs to their faith.

But does Kerry harm the Church? I see a lot of other harm coming to the Church where huge numbers of Catholics are denied the Eucharist because of the discipline of mandatory celibacy and the scandal of the abuse crisis. I'm not saying the Church needs to be pure and clean before it speaks to society, but Kerry's candidacy does not have to become a litmus test for an individual Catholic -- and it is not a barometer of one's own belief in abortion.

Posted by: Elizabeth Josephine Weston at Apr 12, 2004 5:17:39 AM

The fact that Kerry votes for abortion in a particular way does not force or cause someone to have an abortion. I am totally against abortion but criminalizing it is not the answer. Bush's actions and policies are cynical, evil, and verge on idolatry because of his invocation of God. I have prayed that, were I to die in a terrorist attack, that my death be accepted as an act of pennace against the war in Iraq.

Re: Kerry: Were I publicly living in such a way that I was giving scandal to the Church, I would pray for the humility to go to Mass and refrain from receiving Communion. (I pray, first, that I not be led into temptation and not live in a way that would give public scandal to the Church.) I have too much reverence for the Eucharist to profane it.

But Kerry is plainly not a mature Catholic and his decisions are not informed by his Catholicism. That's the danger of a universal Church, you get the sloppy and ill informed and everyone else and not just those who would be martyrs to their faith.

But does Kerry harm the Church? I see a lot of other harm coming to the Church where huge numbers of Catholics are denied the Eucharist because of the discipline of mandatory celibacy and the scandal of the abuse crisis. I'm not saying the Church needs to be pure and clean before it speaks to society, but Kerry's candidacy does not have to become a litmus test for an individual Catholic -- and it is not a barometer of one's own belief in abortion.

Posted by: Elizabeth Josephine Weston at Apr 12, 2004 5:21:01 AM

Kerry has used his support for abortion, infanticide in the womb, as a tactic to garner support throughout his political career. When it is pointed out that this is directly contra Catholic teaching his supporters fall all over themselves making excuses for him without facing the simple truth that the lives of the unborn matter as little to him as inconvenient Catholic teachings do.

Posted by: Donald R. McClarey at Apr 12, 2004 6:06:55 AM

The fact that Senator Kerry is committed, and strongly so, to providing abortion services to any and all women, without regard to any other circumstances, and is committed to expanding those abortion services through the use of our tax dollars at work, presents a serious, grave problem of immorality that is precisely at odds with Catholic teaching. Yes, it is true that Senator Kerry does not force anyone to have an abortion. But his stand on this matter is in direct contradiction to what the Church expects of a practicing Catholic legislator. It's a huge problem, and I think that Amy has described the situation in a most articulate way.

President Bush is NOT a Catholic, and so the bar is lower for him. I really don't expect him to promote a "Catholic agenda" as president. As a priest, I am pro-life, and therefore, anti-capital punishment, and President Bush's position on executions while governor of Texas was and is a problem. But he did not then nor does he now present himself as a devout, practicing Catholic. And Catholic teaching does not forbid capital punishment across the board. I think the record should be checked about Senator Kerry and his stand on capital punishment. I agree with the earlier comment that Gov. Schwarzennegger needs to be held to the same expectation, as he presents himself as a Catholic in the public arena. Any and every Catholic politician deserves this scrutiny, as they present themselves for our support. And those who set aside their Catholic faith for purposes of convenience and expediency should themselves be set aside by the voters.

Posted by: Fr. Brian Stanley at Apr 12, 2004 6:19:00 AM

1) I was a teenager in 1960 when JFK ran for the presidency and the (pre-VatII) bishops fell all over themselves to deny that they would try to coerce a Catholic president on policy issues. I guess their successors regret that now, but it seemed like a good idea at the time.

2) The child abuse scandal has weakened the moral authority of the bishops. How can one seem to be consistent by denying the Eucharist to a politician who does not follow the Church's teaching on abortion or any other issue, when one has allowed pedophile and ephebophile priests who have raped children to continue to confect the Eucharist and minister to parishes? The bishops know this (esp. in jurisdictions with big scandals like Boston) and are not about to put themselves in a position to have this seeming inconsistency pointed out in local newspapers on page one and the editorial page.

Posted by: Jim at Apr 12, 2004 6:44:54 AM

Kerry is proposing that the Church and the Bishops are wrong. He is publically stating that Catholics can support abortion.

Further he is making the especially dangerous arguement that values that derive or happen to coincide with one's religion have no place in the public forum of ideas. To say that morality that derives from religion has no place in the public forum, is an attack on freedom of expression and religious freedom of of every person. This was not idea of government that our forefathers envisioned. A forced religion-free zone. Every person ought to be free to stand up for what they believe regardless of whether or not those beliefs have religious origins or not. Every person ought to be eligible for office -- including the Supreme Court-- regardless of their religion. Further they ought not be forced to check all manifestations of it in their person at the door.

The only way out of this dangerous morass is declare secularism itself a religion and restore needed balance the separation of state and religion equation. As the state continues to touch more and more of our lives, the only way to honor the separation of state and religion, will be to keep religious thoughts restricted to the space between one's ears. The only way to provide balance is to declare secularism a relgion and restore the original meaning of "the government shall not establish a religoin" clause. Then we will have true diversity and true tolerance of all ideas.

Posted by: THerese at Apr 12, 2004 6:51:23 AM

Fr. Stanley,

While Pres. Bush does support the death penalty, as governor of Texas he had very little authority to do anything about it. To say that he "allowed" the executions is inaccurate: the most power the governor has is to delay the execution for 30 days while the Board of Pardons and Parole reviews the case. In fact, if I remember correctly, he once argued that he was only following the will of the people of Texas. That argument is (to our shame) accurate, if reprehensible. I don't accept it in him, nor in such politicians as Kerry.

As to the comment above that criminalizing abortion is not the answer, one must ask what is the proper social response to the murder of unborn babies?

Posted by: Ken at Apr 12, 2004 6:53:48 AM

Doris Kearns Goodwin (the historian) was just on NBC talking about Kerry and Communion. She of course talked about Kennedy's speech on how he was the Democratic candidate who happened to be Catholic, and that he reserved the right to go to Protestant church services if there was a funeral for a Protestant politician.

At this point, she said something about "the old superstition" that if a Catholic went to a Protestant church he'd "drop dead as soon as he went through the doors or something".

Was this in fact a joke in JFK's speech, or was this a reason/misunderstanding Goodwin made up? I Googled briefly for the speech, but couldn't find a good set of search terms. I know a lot of JFK speeches are online, so presumably this was could be....

I don't want to get upset with Goodwin or JFK if there's no grounds, so somebody tell me?

Oh, and Goodwin otherwise was all for the idea it's not fair for a church to expect its members to follow its teachings in public life.

Maureen

Posted by: Maureen at Apr 12, 2004 6:54:50 AM

Just as Kerry has forced no one to obtain an abortion, Bush has never forced anyone to commit murder during a strong-arm robbery.

The worst Bush might be guilty of is supporting the death penalty as a private citizen (no sin there), as he has never had the power to do anything more than issue short delays. The worst Kerry might be guilty of is actively protecting, and broadening access to, infanticide in the womb.

A methodist who didn't do anything to stop the execution of cold-blooded murderers because it wasn't within his power, or a Catholic who does everything he can to ensure that Planned Parenthood can someday have one of those nifty McD-esque signs that say "1 Billion Innocent Lives Served (To Moloch) Worldwide."

Is it that tough a choice for some people?

Posted by: Franklin Jennings at Apr 12, 2004 7:04:10 AM

Senator Kerry is usually against the death penalty, believing that life imprisonment is a "tougher" punishment than death. He only favors the death penalty for terrorists - apparently because he doesn't think terrorists deserve the "tougher" punishment of life in prison. These positions were articulated on the Don Imus show, among other places a few months ago. Don't look for logic, consistency or principle in his positions.

Here in Kerry's Massachusetts, we are all complicit in abortion: A friend, an urban high school teacher, noted one of his homeroom students was absent and called her home to see if she was ill. Father said as far as he know she had gone to school. From a school counselor, my friend disovers that the young woman is having an abortion. That the school knows but that the parents do not; school staff has arranged the abortion,brought the girl to the clinic and will bring her back to school when it is over. My friend is told to call the girl's father back and tell him the lie that girl is in school, that everything is fine. My friend a good Catholic, does it. Wracked with guilt, he quit a month later.

No public figure "forced" this young woman to have an abortion. And yet we are all complicit in it because this happens with our money and in our name. Senator Kerry SUPPORTS this status quo - he characterizes anyone who supports even parental notification laws as "extremist" and "outside the mainstream". He doesn't care about this issue. If we choose not to care the scenario I describe could happen to your family - and it will all be legal and protected.

Posted by: Anastasia at Apr 12, 2004 7:06:44 AM

Sorry for blegging...I found the answer myself. At least in the main body of the speech, there are _no_ references to Catholic funerals or falling dead at the threshold. It's a fairly reasonable speech, whatever the other Kennedys did afterward, and does draw a line of sorts.

"Whatever issue may come before me as President--on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject--I will make my decision in accordance with these views, in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.

"But if the time should ever come--and I do not concede any conflict to be even remotely possible--when my office would require me to either violate my conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do the same."

The birth control thing is obviously a problem. But in point of fact, I don't remember Kennedy doing anything about birth control, much less voting for partial birth abortion. One hopes that Kennedy would never have felt it was in the national interest to kill babies....

http://www.cs.umb.edu/jfklibrary/j091260.htm
This link goes to the full text of the speech. You can also listen to it if you click on "play clip" at the top of the page.

Maureen

Posted by: Maureen at Apr 12, 2004 7:11:16 AM

A couple of questions for all of your much wiser people:

Fr. Stanley says:
President Bush is NOT a Catholic, and so the bar is lower for him.

But, it is my understanding that abortion is a non-negotiable issue right? So, the bar isn't really lower is it? Yes, he is not representing and then misrepresenting himself as a Catholic, but it is still 'the' issue for us as Catholic voters right?

Second, doesn't the CCC state that the death penalty should only be used for self defense? So, althought, as Fr. Stanley says, "And Catholic teaching does not forbid capital punishment across the board," doesn't it pretty much forbit it in most of the circumstances in which it is used today?

Thank you,
Nicole

Posted by: Nicole at Apr 12, 2004 7:24:15 AM

Nicole,
Yes, it is still a non-negotiable issue for Catholics. But please understand the point: President Bush has no obligation to uphold Catholic teaching. Senator Kerry does, and flaunts his opposition to the teaching of the Church. President Bush has acted in limiting abortions -- federal funding withdrawn, pro-life judges appointed, etc. The question is, which candidate will do more to advance the whole life agenda? And I think Catholics who bother to take the time to investigate both candidates' positions will come to make an informed and correct judgment on which candidate upholds the Church's teachings most consistently.

The Church's position on capital punishment is not one based so much on self defense [maybe you're thinking of the just war theory] as much as it is on the capacity of the state to protect the people and to provide humane conditions for incarceration. In the US, the means are available to give life sentences without parole, in humane conditions. Thus, it is a hard argument to make that capital punishment is morally permissible in the American context. There are other moral theologians who are more nuanced in this debate about capital punishment; there is not that sort of nuance in the Church's position on abortion, so I really don't get the constant comparison between the two issues. And the effect of abortion is far more devastating morally and spiritually in this country than the issue of capital punishment. I think most people understand that.

Posted by: Fr. Brian Stanley at Apr 12, 2004 7:55:18 AM

I saw Doris Kearns Goodwin on NBC, Maureen, and she actually raised the issue of separation of Church and State. To me, that turns the separation clause on it's head. To say that the State cannot tell the people what to do religiously is one thing, but to say that the Church cannot tell people who work for the State what to do religiously... I don't think that's what the establishment clause is all about.

Posted by: Eutychus Fell at Apr 12, 2004 8:29:56 AM

I think it worth mentioning that a very noteworthy public precedent for a Bishop correcting a public official is indellibly inscribed in the annals of history.

Ambrose, Bishop of Milan, denounced Catholic Emperor Theodosius I for ordering the execution of a crowd of thousands - many innocent - as an act of revenge for the mob killing of one of his generals:

"In a letter, the saint told the emperor that his hands were stained with blood, that he had no place before Christ's altar, that he was unworthy, in his current state of sin, to receive the body of Christ in the Eucharist, and that he should commit himself to a regimen of prayer to mark the beginning of his penance." (Triumph: The Glory and Power of the Catholic Church, H.W. Crocker III, pg. 74)

Theodosius grew defiant, like Kerry, at the implication that he had done something wrong. If senators don't like to be reprimanded, how much less Roman Emperors? He wrote to Ambrose, claiming that "if he was guilty of murder, so was David of the Old Testament, and surely David was beloved of God." (ibid) Here, we see the twisting of meanings and words that come naturally to politicians of all epochs.

Ambrose remained steadfast, however. He responded simply, "You have imitated David in his crime, imitate then his repentance."

Theodosius then presented himself to Ambrose, stripped of royal vestments, and begged forgiveness. Ambrose writes of this that,

"Stripping himself of every emblem of royalty he publically in church bewailed his sin. That public penance, which private individuals shrink from, an Emperor was not ashamed to perform; nor was there afterwards a day on which he did not grieve for his mistake." (Quoted in Crocker, pg. 74 - See entry for St. Ambrose in the Catholic Encyclopedia)

It would seem that this is where Emperor Theodosius and Senator Kerry parted ways. Both guilty of legislating the murder of innocents; one repents, the other denies that there is a sin.

Perhaps, however, the current story would be different, and Kerry would do penance or apostacize, if there were only one bishop as courageous as St. Ambrose was. After all - Kerry has not the power to put a bishop to death. Theodosius, had he been other than a faithful Catholic, would have suffered no such obstacle.

Posted by: Steve Skojec at Apr 12, 2004 8:30:57 AM

I don't know what the bishops ought to do about Kerry and other Catholic politicians who depart from Church teaching on abortion, gay marriage, and such matters. But I think that the failure to do anything about it exacerbates two elements in the current critical narrative about the Church today.

First, that the bishops are feckless. That they are unwilling or unable to confront the grave issues that beset the Church and society today. They looked the other way, this narrative goes, during the crisis of abuse, and now they are looking the other way when confronted with the obvious flouting of their teaching by successful and powerful politicians. This certainly does not help them in their claim to pastoral authority.
(Also, it gives scandal and, as such, is an offense to some and a source of great confusion to others. It appears to indicate that the Church doesn't really mean what it says.)

Secondly, it suggests that the bishops are hypocritical or, at best, deferential to power and/or wealth. It suggests that those Catholics with civil power and authority are somehow exempt from otherwise binding Church norms. It sends a bad message to the politicians, who invest more in their political ideologies than in their faith, as well as to the laity at large, who interpret this accommodation, whether rightly or not, as an example of moral failure on the part of the bishops and not, as the case may be, as an one of pastoral care and restraint.

I think that although these social issues are generally discussed in abstract terms, they always have very concrete, specific implications. And it ought to be a bishop's business to deal with these issues in visible, concrete, and understandable terms.

Posted by: John Koontz at Apr 12, 2004 8:37:13 AM

It is a troubling state of affairs when catholics fail to see that a catholic politician who defends so-called abortion rights is quite simply a contradiction in terms. That state of affairs cannot be allowed to go unchallenged, at least not without damage to the Church's teaching and witness. It is Kerry's bishop's duty to do something about it - if he fails to act then the Church is damaged - if he does act Kerry's election prospects may or may not be damaged, indeed his political standing may be enhanced but so be it, that shouldn't be the issue. One can and should lay down a hard and fast rule here -any catholic who publicly supports so-called abortion rights, politician or otherwise, should be censured by the Church and if he or she fails to come around to the Church's teaching he or she should be publicly rebuked and dealt with by their bishop. There is no other option without leaving the Church's witness in tatters. A bishop who can't see that should be in another line of work.

Posted by: Gerald at Apr 12, 2004 9:03:27 AM

.... of course, as taxpayers and citizens, don't we all share in some of the guilt for the actions the government takes on our behalf? Whether it be abortion or war, or the death penalty, or any other practice that goes against the teachings of the Church?

I will pray that the Bishops will make the decision to begin to exert more exacting standards on public Catholics ... I will pray that the Bishops will make it clear that those public figures who have the ear of millions of Catholics that they are required to set a good example.

Posted by: JJ at Apr 12, 2004 9:05:49 AM

Commentators are correct in that criticism of Kerry is certainly applicable to every Catholic politician, regardless of political affiliation, with a pro-abortion voting record.

This problem has been around for quite a while;
because he is running for President, Kerry has drawn the public's attention to the scandal on a national level.

One can certainly find fault with Bush on any number of issues; however, when it comes to support of abortion, the Catholics for Bush blog (http://catholicsforbush.blogspot.com) recently posted Bush's record, which is pretty impressive in comparison to Kerry's. According to them, President Bush:

-Will soon sign Unborn Victims of Violence Act
-Signed the Partial Birth Abortion Act
-Signed the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (prohibits doctors from killing babies that survive botched abortions)
-Signed the Adoption Promotion Act (increase incentives for states that encourage the adoption of older children)
-Promises to sign the Child Custody Protection Act (makes it a crime to take a minor across state lines for a secret abortion, if this abridges her parents right to be involved under their home-state law)
-Promises to sign the Abortion Non-Discrimination Act (prohibits state and local governments from discriminating against hospitals and other health care providers for refusing to participate in abortions)
-Promises to sign any comprehensive and effective ban on human cloning
-Placed "limits" on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research
-Reinstituted the Mexico City policy (prohibiting federal funding for international abortion providers)
-Directed Department of HHS that Medicaid would no longer cover the abortion pill RU486
-Directed Department of HHS to draft a new policy allowing states to provide medical coverage under CHIPs to unborn children
-Directed Department of Justice to rule that federally controlled substances cannot be used to assist suicides
-Budgeted increased funding for abstinence education to be on par with contraceptive education spending
-Doubled the adoption tax credit from $5,000 to $10,000 per child for adoption expenses
-Directed Department of HHS to Award $8.6 million in Adoption Awareness Grants (raise awareness about adoption as an option for pregnant women)
-Nominated federal judges who would be open to overturning Roe v. Wade
-Promises to nominate federal justices to the Supreme Court who would be open to overturning Roe v. Wade
-Proclaimed National Sanctity of Human Life Day (in 2002, 2003, 2004)
-Proclaimed National Adoption Month (in 2002, 2003)
-Supports Military Abortion Ban
-Stopped efforts to include the right to abortion at the UN Child Summit (2002)
-Established Bioethics Council (to increase understanding of how medicine and science interface with the dignity of life)
-Vocally supports crisis pregnancy centers, and adoption, and parental notification laws

Compared to Kerry's recent endorsement by NARAL as a president "pro-choicers can rely on", in my opnion there's really no question of which president is more allied with the Church on this issue.

Posted by: Christopher at Apr 12, 2004 9:07:58 AM

Gerard, you make an important point.

I think what many people fail to realize is this - while it would be the bishop's duty to correct privately at first, which we cannot know whether or not he has done - it is thereafter his duty to speak publically to avoid the sin of scandal if the politician in question does not acquiesce.

To fail to stand against this is to fail the duty discharged to the bishops by God. This isn't judgement of the souls of bishops on our part, it is a judgement of whether or not the duty of an office is being fulfilled. Personal culpability is none of our concern. But our shepherds are letting their sheep wander over cliffs as they watch silently, as though to say, "I would have called them back, but I didn't want to hurt their feelings."

Hurt some feelings, dear Bishops, we ask you. I hope that you would reprimand me if I was out of line. It should be remembered that Christ came "not to bring peace, but the sword." Martyrdom is the vocation of every Christian, whether a martyrdom of blood, or a martyrdom of social and political persecution.

Posted by: Steve Skojec at Apr 12, 2004 9:10:58 AM

JJ - praying for our bishops is very good, I'll take your cue. But before I do that I wish to point out that abortion is an intrinsic evil, war and capital punishment are not. The Church does not equate abortion with war and capital punishment, never has. There is no wiggle room here: abortion is a modern day slaughter of the innocents and for catholics to be allowed to support it and defend it is simply not sustainable. Kerry's bishop has no wiggle room on this and neither does Kerry. The moral landscape in this country isn't what it was in the early 1960's. To be sure, Kennedy was no altar boy but had he promoted so-called abortion rights his bishop would have had his head on a stick, metaphorically speaking. Does anyone disagree?

Posted by: Gerald at Apr 12, 2004 9:21:26 AM

Some of the comments on this thread are inane.

For instance:

Kerry is not forcing anyone to have an abortion, whereas Bush allowed the deaths of 152 death row prisoners in Texas and has been responsible for thousands more deaths in Iraq, after having blatantly lied and ignored international law in order to invade a country that was not a direct threat to the US.

As Father Stanley Bush's support of capital punishment presents a bit of a problem but please saying he allowed those deaths shows a detachment from the facts. The governor of Texas simply does not have the power to commute sentences that is present in other states. It is much more limited and hemmed in and saying that Bush allowed those deaths is simply not accurate. I really wonder to what degree people allow their baptism into the democratic party color their perception of the facts.

Second, undoubtedly, most if not all of those 152 were not innocent lives. While I agree that they should have been incarcerated rather than killed, there is a substantive difference between captial punishment and abortion.

Third, Kerry as Amy says is an enabler of abortion. He is not merely allowing people to choose to have abortions. He supports public funding of abortion. And NO ONE should be allowed to have an abortion. The choice should not be allowed.

Fourth, I am much more hestitant to come to the clear conclusions that so many others have about the Iraqi war. I wonder how we from the outside without the information the president had can make the judgment that the war was unjust. Again this is a question of prudence and judgment which it seems to me that good people can disagree about. Abortion is not such an issue.

Posted by: Conor Dugan at Apr 12, 2004 9:23:11 AM

Mr. Kerry has, by his public statements, and now, his public actions, challenged the authority appointed by the Church over him to guide him in forming his conscience. He is not willing to even turn the other cheek if and when he is publicly admonished, but to challenge even further the right of the bishop to speak for the Church and demand that this authority be obeyed. Now the faithful are being tempted to look both ways unless the diocesan leadership speaks out for them wherever this man may display his challenges. Bishop Smith of NJ has emotionally proclaimed to the faithful that he is the one to speak for the Catholic Church there, not the governor. You have to start somewhere - and the more public the scandal has gotten to be, the greater necessity it is to speak to that large influence. Yes, other more private "practicing" Catholics may be guilty of promoting the abortion mindset to their neighbors, seeing nothing wrong with stem cell research or leaving lots of human lives for the garbage heap in the invitro labs, but admonishing him who puts himself out there as an authority equal to the Church's legitimate ones, can also effect the thinking of those who feel protected in their private darkness. And perhaps then there could flow the nudgings of consciences in them as well.

As far as Goodwin and other current talking heads historians go, they can only relate the facts of history. When they get to connecting some dots which they then relate, just by their historical acknowledgment as happening, to forming some new outline for objective moral law, they're way outside their expertise. They seem to be under the misguided belief that events of the secular arena in any given moment in history have the ability to alter the objective moral law.

Posted by: chris k at Apr 12, 2004 9:24:45 AM

Here is another comment that I find troubling:

I see a lot of other harm coming to the Church where huge numbers of Catholics are denied the Eucharist because of the discipline of mandatory celibacy and the scandal of the abuse crisis.

Huge numbers of Catholis being denied the Eucharist? I would like to see the support for this statement. To me it seems to be a statement that arises from the conclusion that mandatory celibacy is bad and then making up evidence to support that conclusion. I would like to know where Catholics are being "denied" the Eucharist? Anywhere in the United States? Probably not.

And then I would question the idea that were mandatory celibacy lifted that huge numbers of men would swarm into the seminaries to give us the Eucharist.

I am a bit puckish this morning and these things take us off subject but assertions that are made without any backing get under my skin.

Posted by: Conor Dugan at Apr 12, 2004 9:29:54 AM

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