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July 23, 2005
Well, that's different
If you go look at the Amazon list of best-selling books under the Catholicism category, you'll find, at this moment (8:55 central), that A Woman Rides a Beast by Dave Hunt holds the #17 spot.
Really?
I'm thinking that even thought the book is *about* Catholicism, sure, the fact that it's a virulent, anti-Catholic screed by a guy who makes his living being anti-Catholic would disqualify it for inclusion under the "Catholicism" category alongside books by Cardinal Ratzinger and other people you might know.
(And I'm wondering where its sales boost has come from. I've not seen it there before)
Okay, then. I filled in my complaint on the book's description page. Next?
Oh, and while you're there...Don't forget!
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Based on this review by a reader at the Amazon site, this books seems to be hilarious reading. Full of facts too.
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This book is not harsh -- it's honest. It is not slanderous to report the historical atrocities of the Roman Catholic Church, particularly since she has never repented of them. People don't take offense when someone writes a book about the Nazis and all the horrors of the concentration camps -- but somehow, they get very offended when they learn that the Vatican was behind much (if not all) of what Hitler was doing. It is not slander to say that one of the pope's titles, "Vicarius Christi" the Vicar of Christ, is the Latin term for the Greek word: "Antichrist." This is simply a fact. It is not slander to report that the RCC supported Hitler, the concentration camps, the slaughter of one million Orthodox Serbs in Croatia, and that they helped thousands of Nazi war criminals escape Europe even after the war -- giving some of them shelter in the Vatican itself. These things are well documented, and confirmed by numerous sources -- many of which have no religious axe to grind.
Posted by: tcreek at Jul 23, 2005 9:40:51 PM
WOW! Every single word in that review is incorrect. I bet it was written by Ted Kennedy.
Posted by: Mike at Jul 23, 2005 10:23:45 PM
Just an FYI. I have found the Amazon staff to be most helpful in these sorts of cases. If you send them an email it may be a quick way to get a change in the listing. (depending on how they see it, of course.)
Posted by: Julie D. at Jul 23, 2005 10:26:17 PM
I find it frightening that there are people out there who believe these things...and who can find enough erroneous 'sources' to believe that they are well-informed!
Posted by: Kate at Jul 23, 2005 10:30:58 PM
Protocols of the Elders of Zion is philosophy? Sheesh...defamatory towards philosophers...
Doesn't the library of congress cataloguing system have a way of dealing with this by moving these things into seperate "Catholicism--Controversial Literature" or "Judiasm--Controversial Literature" or some such. I seem to remember Boettner's book on Catholicism being classified thusly in my college library.
Posted by: Samuel J. Howard at Jul 23, 2005 10:41:08 PM
Raised a Catholic, educated a Catholic, and now an Ex. For three solid years now, at least 7 hours per day/night, I have researched everything I can lay my hands on, in print, and the nets on the history of the church. At least 150 books sit right here in my library on this subject.
The screeds against Hunt are almost exclusively from those who haven't read his book. First, does it have an agenda? Yes, naturally it does, given that Hunt is a protestant examining Rome. BUT, are the facts as presented in this book accurate? After reading it three times, the most recently being a few weeks ago, I would conclude that yes, it is factually accurate in a way that few books of this genre are.
Now STOP! Here for a second.
Before the charges of "Catholic Bashing" and hate, yada yada yada, are leveled.
In this very blog, over the past few days, we have seen articles too many to mention on sexual abuse, clerical abuses, money scams, pedophilia, religous orders gone bad, power tripping...etc.
So, right now, HERE, we have a compilation that an outsider could say is "anti Catholic" { which of course this blog is anything but }
So, why is an objective analysis of the sins and problems associated with the historic church "anti Catholic" or worse, while today the very same topics disccued ON a mainstream blog, here and elsewhere NOT?
It is worthwile book. Especially if one actually believes in scripture { which sadly, very few Catholics do, outside of the 15 verses that support current dogmas and disciplines } and scripture ENDS in Revelation, where in chapters 17 and 18 there is a most interesting description of a false prophet, church, and the final antiChrist. THAT HAS TO BE SOME church, and David is examining history, facts, and events to ascertain who that church might be.
Read it first, then come and slam it, contempt, prior to investigation, is the sign of a closed mind.
Best, good topic, by the way.
Posted by: Tan2Day at Jul 24, 2005 6:32:50 AM
Hell Tan,
Thanks for dropping in. Hope you're wearing your asbestos trousers today.
I'll just content myself with observing that your case becomes a little more problematic if any evangelical churches have ever had problems with sex scandals, money scams, sexual abuse, or even, God forbid, endorsing and promoting slavery.
Posted by: Richard at Jul 24, 2005 7:16:11 AM
Rather then slam everything as "Anti-Catholic" perhaps Catholics here should read this book, and check out the facts David Hunt lays out. I read the parts about interfaithism and the quotes abscribed to the Pope, and every single event and quote was backed up by Catholic sources on line. He has thousands of citations. Revelation 17 here we come.
Everyone is supposely a hater that points out the emperor has no clothes. I guess screaming hater at everyone is a way to silence those who may bring up uncomfortable truths, one of the biggest being that the Catholic church now has long ago abandoned even preaching the gospel for the lost now replacing it with the United Nations--peace through all religions and gods, theosophical March to Revelation 17. In fact as I was leaving the RCC, and asking questions of my priest, it was horrifying to find out instead of honest answers, everyone who dared to criticize was anti-catholic-- a hater. Easy way to silence those who point out whats happening.
You can claim all you want this book is anti-Catholic but anyone with an open mind that reads it and then goes and checks out the claims, will find out that history and the events happening now back it up. Even many of these things are admitted right on this blog, the endless corruption, failure to evangelize, need I go on?
Posted by: Ex-Catholic at Jul 24, 2005 7:42:11 AM
All BIG churches get in trouble, the bigger they are, the moreso.
That is why Christ gave the parable of the MUSTARD *TREE* not seed. Mustard is a shrub, and when it grew into a "tree" { abnormal behavior } what happened? The Birds of the Air { carrion eating corruptions } came and lived in the braches.
Now, just WHY did Christ give that parable?
Because He KNEW that ALL organized, institutionalized, beauracratic entities, that claimed church status, would eventually be infested and taken over by the carrion eating "birds."
The "church" is made up of INDIVIDUALS, the called out ones, it is not a visible, physical nationstate, with thrones, palaces, diplomats, central bank, and even a "sports department."
When one sticks to local control, oversight, and power, problems will still happen, given he sin nature of man, but it will NOT infest the entire "mustard TREE" and while the problems may be bad in local church X, local churches A, B, M, Y-Z, will serve as a refuge for those that want out of the mess.
Christ put that parable there for a reason, and one needs to examine WHY he chose to do so.
The problems can happen in the Catholic church, the Orthodox { have you been following the meltdown in Greece? } and in Pentecostal or Baptist, or Presbyterian, or Anglicans.
It is endemic to all the churches that grew abnormally large, as a "Mustard TREE"
Posted by: Tan2Day at Jul 24, 2005 7:48:22 AM
Just checked Worldcatlibraries.org (easily assessible if you have Yahoo toolbar for Explorer) and here are the LOC's categories;
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature.
Bible -- Prophecies
Bible. -- Criticism, interpretation, etc
N.T. -- Revelation End of the world.
Posted by: Chris at Jul 24, 2005 8:20:59 AM
It's been moving down the list pretty quickly. It's down to #44 now (noon on Sunday).
Posted by: Mike at Jul 24, 2005 12:07:44 PM
Sorry Tan your heretical protestant ecclesiology doesn't cut the "mustard". What about the parable of the wheat and the tares? The church is a visible body just as Christ was visible, a body composed of both sinners and Saints. It is not some invisible "communion of the saved." I will agree that the church has had problems since Vatican II, with being too open to false religions and not preaching the Gospel, but hopefully once all the hippies who came of age in the 1960's die out, the Church can get back to business. In other words "extra ecclesaim nulla salus" still holds true, its just that the church authorities haven't been emphasizing this truth very much in the last 40 years. And if you're going to make your case based on scandals and historical atrocities, I know of very few Christian denominations that would pass muster on that score. Protestant nations after the so called Reformation were just as repressive towards Catholics as Catholic nations were towards Protestants.
If the "woman on the beast" is anything it is the one world, new age, "I'm o.K your O.K, (except if you actually believe in Christ as the one road to salvation)" religion that is being foisted on us by the media and the Liberals of the world. This "religion," we Christians(of what ever stripe), should be united in opposing, not revisiting stale 16th century polemics.
Posted by: Tom McKinney at Jul 24, 2005 3:42:59 PM
I am convinced! The Catholic Church is the WHORE OF BABYLON! How do I know this? Because Dave Hunt in a book tells me so! Never mind that the book is replete with factual errors, virtually on every page, and has been completely discredited in numerous reviews, including a review by W. Robert Aufill in the January 1999 issue of New Oxford Review. Obviously these reviewers, and Saints Athanasius, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Catherine Siena, Theresa of Avila, etc. ad infinitum, simply lack the intellect and faith of Dave Hunt! Someone call up Pope Benedict and tell him the gig is up.
Posted by: Donald R. McClarey at Jul 24, 2005 3:43:17 PM
I was surprised to see that Amazon carries THE PROTOCOLS but they explain themselves well.
This edition is published by Omni/Christian Book Club of Palmdale CA who have, shall we say, a "curious" line. Lots of anti-Semitic/ Integrist stuff by Fahey, Poncins, Webster, down to that nadir of the Catholic genre, THE PLOT AGAINST THE CHURCH. But also the Fr. Lasance Daily Missal, for cover, no doubt.
Posted by: Sandra Miesel at Jul 24, 2005 4:26:52 PM
Having a mustard seed grow into a big, beautiful mustard tree is a good thing. Having birds nest in a tree's branches is a good thing. If you think Jesus doesn't agree, please refer back to Genesis and God's evaluation of His Creation.
Posted by: Maureen at Jul 24, 2005 7:03:59 PM
Tan2Day,
Do you put ketchup on hot dogs, or something? What's your beef with mustard?
Posted by: Ed the Roman at Jul 25, 2005 11:23:04 AM
Obviously these reviewers, and Saints Athanasius, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Catherine Siena, Theresa of Avila, etc. ad infinitum, simply lack the intellect and faith of Dave Hunt! Someone call up Pope Benedict and tell him the gig is up.
(In my best Master Shake voice from Aqua Teen Hunger Force):
BRING FORTH... THE SATANIC DEATH COOKIES!
IA! IA! NIMROD!
IA! IA! SEMIRAMIS!
IA! IA! TAMMUZ!
CTHULHU FTHAGN!
Posted by: Ken at Jul 25, 2005 11:41:25 AM
