September 10, 2005
Hmmm
Is there a different, parallel universe of which I'm not aware?
Does former NCR editor Arthur Jones live in it?
It's a fierce screed. In fact, if you were going to give an example of "screed" to the uninitiated, this would be it. Jones unleashes his fury against John Paul II and Benedict (the "Wojtyla-Ratzinger" response), positing the church he thinks they created against the more authentic "conciliar" church, pre-eminently concerned with the poor. Supposedly. He says that this W-R church, so intent on pomp and ceremony, is ripe for a Francis and Clare, to renew it.
Well, on one hand, the old boy is right. The Church is always ripe for a Francis and Clare, and the US Church, existing in and through the most prosperous society the world has ever known, would be no exception.
However, I have to wonder, if one actually bothered to crunch some numbers, how many members of religious orders and new movements who are perfectly content with the W-R Church (his terms, not mine) are actively serving the poor at this moment (think Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, think Opus Dei efforts around the world...just think), when compared with how many (numbers people, numbers) adherents of his "conciliar" Church are doing the same, actively and consciously in service to Christ through the poor. Somehow, I'm guessing the former would come out on top.
I also think it will be deliciously ironic if, as John Allen implies, Archbishop Romero's cause proceeds under the Evil Ratzinger. What say you then, Arthur?
Look. The Church of 2005 is not perfect. But it is also not what Arthur Jones says it is. The American bishops are not a flawless group, but who in the world can look them as a group and say that:
Appoint U.S. bishops more Roman than American. So by the 1990s we had the Wojtyla-Ratzinger duo piously dictating a revisionist Vatican II to a body of near-traumatized bishops reduced to a papal claque and demoralized senior bishops
I can think of some senior bishops I wish were demoralized. Then maybe they'd learn about humility. There is quite a bit of Romanitas politicking in bishop-selection, still, and some senior bishops have a surprsing lack of pastoral experience (i.e., outside chancery and curial offices), when you examine their resumes. But in all, they're just as diverse a lot as they ever have been, taken as a whole. Some smart, some dim, some leaders, some followers, some sued by their employees for sexual harassment, some not.
Another lie - a more serious and laughable one - that Jones presents here is that the Church is now rather radically re-clericalized as opposed to the flourishing of lay ministry post-Council, blah, blah, blah.
Really?
Once again, I'd ask. When it comes to public Catholicism, when it comes to the figures in this country who are representing Catholicism in the media, in books, in print...is that a scene overwhelmed by clerics? Actually - no. Who were the Catholic "experts" all over television in March and April? It was a very balanced crew, with, I'd say, a slight edge going to the laity. Look at the bestselling Catholic book titles. Who's writing them? The ONLY priest who consistently appears on that list (aside from Benedict) is DEAD.
(Nouwen)
Who are the most popular and sought after speakers on the Catholic speaking circuit? With a couple of exceptions (Groeschel, Corapi) - they're laity.
And really - I defy you to look at, say, the staff listings for the Archdiocese of Denver, led by a figure I can only assume would fall under the heavy hand of Jones Judgment. The staff isn't listed all in one place, but quick clicking shows a high proportion of lay staff, even leading the Archdiocese's highly regarded adult catechetical and formation programs - one would assume that this, of all places, would be wear the Wojtyla-RatzInger Clerical Cabal would show its ugly head, in intense cassock-clad clerics brainwashing the adult laity.
Guess not.
The rest of the piece is ripe for the picking:
John Paul II realized that the U.S. Catholic church -- more specifically the renewed women’s congregations, the engaged laity with highly networked women backed by many priests and some bishops -- was the only entity in the world loyal enough to the council, energetic and imaginative enough, educated and organized enough, wealthy and capable enough to challenge his pontificate’s intention to undermine Vatican II reforms and reimpose a top-down rule. (Historically there had always been a dash of Euro-deceit within the Vatican and papal hubris: The Vatican may like Americans, but it doesn’t admire them. Add to the late pope’s anti-Americanism the West’s repeated betrayal of Poland.)
The Wojtyla-Ratzinger response to a mobilized U.S. Catholicism was fierce. Oust or demoralize the conciliar Catholics, in America and elsewhere. Appoint U.S. bishops more Roman than American. So by the 1990s we had the Wojtyla-Ratzinger duo piously dictating a revisionist Vatican II to a body of near-traumatized bishops reduced to a papal claque and demoralized senior bishops. The new model is a reclericalized church with little faith in the faithful, none of that sensus fidelium nonsense. Make the educated feel unwanted and unwelcome by reimposing pietistic nonsense and childish attention to ritualized minutiae (the birdie-bobbing heads at Communion?) and bingo! it’s the 19th century of blessed memory again. As a Wojtyla-Ratzinger Eurocentric and Euro-eccentric strategy, it’s successful; as a model of church, it’s pitiful.
It doesn't matter that JP2 and Ratzinger say that they are about fully and more deeply implementing the vision of V2. No, no, no. Arthur Jones knows better. He knows the real story.
Oh, and do you detect a bit of arrogance in that first paragraph? The "only entity in the world" who really got the Council, these fab Americans? Ironic, since he flails the popes for Euro-eccentricism. But American-centrism? Now that's the ticket.
Oh, and Arthur Jones doesn't like you either:
The Wojtyla-Ratzinger continuum doesn’t play only to empty pews. Hundreds of millions of heaven-bound Catholics just want Jesus. They stand in line and question nothing. As is their right. Others, more pugnacious, Catholics steadfastly loyal and questioning, rooted in their eucharistic communities and New Testament realities, remain to demand better from the institution. People of large heart and devotion still confidently demur from much the Vatican would impose.
You, my friends question nothing. Did you know this? Did you know that your searching, your prayer life, your voracious reading, your arguments in these comments boxes, your dogged, brainy blogging, your magazine and book writing, your intense discussions with friends and relatives about matters of faith, of life and death, is really, in the end...questioning nothing? Did you know that you're not pugnacious, that you're not rooted in New Testament realities, that you're giddily satisfied with the institution (that should make you spit out your coffee right there), and that you have a tiny, cold, rubric-besotted heart?
So there it is, still mired in the Old Dispensation, eye for an eye, screed for a screed. But really - the arrogance, the ignorance, the insularity. God, my prayer this morning is that I learn from this silly, vicious piece of close-minded fantasy, and never fall into the same trap, never cease looking about me and the world and Church I live in with open eyes, with honesty, willing to see things as they are, not as I would like them to be.
Amen.
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Comments
What in the world is this guy smokin? SHEESH!
Posted by: Yvonne at Sep 11, 2005 12:32:16 AM
Why would he keep referring to "Wojtyla-Ratzinger" as opposed to, say, "JP2-B16" except to emphasize ethnicity? What he deplores is what they did and do as popes but he smears them with ethnic stereotypes. Very cheap and very nasty.
"I was editor when Pope John Paul II made his first U.S. visit. With all bases covered, I told one photographer -- he was Jewish, I believe -- where he’d be in the best position to get the up-close facial I needed of the pope.
The photog called in when he’d developed his shots. 'I got it, Arthur!' he shouted into the phone. 'I got it. I had to go to Communion five times, but I got it.'" Does he admit here that he instructed a nonCatholic to exploit the service and offend the sanctity of communion in order to get a good photo? Is this an example of the Church he wants?
He says Mass is about "joy", meaning it should be jolly. Isn't it about the sacrifice of the cross, for which we are solemnly grateful? And can't you realize that without thinking Jesus spoke latin? (Of course you can, but he can't pass up an opportunity to be sarcastic.)
He's missed the transcendent nature of Mass and of the Church, entirely. Sad.
Posted by: Bonnie at Sep 11, 2005 12:54:54 AM
What a REACTIONARY! A typical liberal reactionary, stuck in the 1970's.
While Amy aptly wonders whether Jones inhabits a "parallel universe," I am afraid that his worldview is shared by many who still dominate much of the Church in the large Midwestern Archdiocese where I live and work. It also characterizes the worldview of many religious orders, which though they still milk the pious for donations, educate their handful--er, teaspoonful--of seminarians (and those brought in from the third world for feminist indoctrination) at theological unions characterized by this worldview. (Someone I know saw picture of John Paul II that was up on a bulletin board at Catholic Theological Union in Chicago: over a couple of weeks, more and more holes were poked in the Pope’s image until my acquaintance finally took it, since no one at CTU had bothered to do it.) And such is the worldview of nearly every Jesuit university in America. Needless to say, such is the worldview of the wonderfully “renewed” women’s orders, which have rendered themselves spiritually sterile and unable to attract and retain new vocations.
What is astounding, on the other hand, is how isolated this “old establishment” is from the kind of faithful, vibrant lay leadership Amy cites. Fortunately, in archdioceses steeped in world view of Arthur Jones, the archbishops connect and are encouraged by the Amy Welborns of the world, but it takes time for them to understand, get a handle on, and then reform an official Church bureaucracy dominated by those for whom the columnists of NCR are great heroes: has Amy had invitations from “theology on tap” and similar programs in Milwaukee, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Chicago.
But there is still hope for the likes of Arthur Jones: perhaps someone should invite him to spend some time with the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal in the Bronx: he does claim that he is looking for another St. Francis.
Posted by: Socius at Sep 11, 2005 1:01:05 AM
Shortly after I became Catholic, I, having seen the movie Romero, read the published diaries of Bishop Romero. He was fascinated with this organization I had heard only a few whispers about, Opus Dei.
Posted by: Samuel J. Howard at Sep 11, 2005 2:34:05 AM
I confess I didn't much like the Jones piece and stopped reading early in. But it doesn't read too much differently than what the Angry Right writes at times.
Posted by: Todd at Sep 11, 2005 3:32:27 AM
Almost all angry young radicals, if they live long enough, eventually turn into bitter old reactionaries.
I found the Saint Francis and Saint Clare reference unintentionally humorous since they worked hand in glove with Innocent III a pontiff who, I assume, is not on the top ten list of Mr. Jones.
As to heaven-bound Catholics, I pray we are all in that number.
Posted by: Donald R. McClarey at Sep 11, 2005 5:56:09 AM
Todd!
You just got finished telling me on another blog that you "wouldn't take [my] word for it" that many liberals believed Ratzinger to be "bellicose + divisive." But you express no surprise at this typical rant.
But then again, I thought your response there even sillier than your refusal to endorse de fide Catholic doctrine about women's ordination or your generous embrace of dissenters.
Posted by: Jeff at Sep 11, 2005 6:04:26 AM
Jeff, Todd! Cool it.
Posted by: Dan Crawford at Sep 11, 2005 6:51:53 AM
Amy, you've got it dead on right (as we've come to expect from you!) - especially your last paragraph. One of my daily prayers is that I not allow my opinions, preferences and hopes about the Church blind me to whatever the Holy Spirit is doing. As a "victim" of priests and professors who knew absolutely what Vatican II was all about and would lash out at anyone who disagrees, I hope that I never turn out like them, and if the exchange the reality of the Church and the world for some fantasy construct. God keep us honest, holy and humble!
Posted by: Tim Ferguson at Sep 11, 2005 6:55:39 AM
"the renewed women’s congregations"
Because, of course, pagan goddess worship is a sign of renewal.
"...reimposing pietistic nonsense and childish attention to ritualized minutiae (the birdie-bobbing heads at Communion?")
Because showing even such a miniscule amount reverence for the Blessed Sacrament is nonsense? Apparently he believes that believing in the Real Presence is childish. After all, a True, Questioning Concillar Catholic (TM) is much too intelligent to believe in such fairy tales.
Posted by: Stacey at Sep 11, 2005 7:38:41 AM
Quick translation:
NCR's subscription rate is not #1 with a bullet, Fr Richard McBrien was not made a Cardinal, and Arthur Jones is lying awake at night with nightmares of declensions and conjugations under the reign of Pope B16 and Fr Reginald Foster.
Vae victus.
Posted by: Plato's Stepchild at Sep 11, 2005 7:45:06 AM
Translation: We need women priests and sodomy is good.
Posted by: al at Sep 11, 2005 7:46:56 AM
This rant reminds me of a scene in the movie "Good Will Hunting". Robin Williams is telling Matt Damon how, if he asked him about war, he might quote him Shakespeare, or if he asked him about love, would quote him a sonnet. But he's never held a dying man in his arms, or given himself completely over to another person in love.
The fossils from the 70s can shout the slogans and spread the ideology abroad. But they don't know the first thing about the Second Vatican Council. Wojtyla and Ratzinger lived the Council (Wojtyla in particular). They were actually involved in shaping it.
Posted by: Jason at Sep 11, 2005 7:56:49 AM
Nice outline for your next book, Amy. Please write it. I loved Here, Now.
Todd you are clearly coming along compared to your posts of a year ago. But when will you stop the trolling? I hope you keep reading. God bless you.
Posted by: Joseph R. Wilson at Sep 11, 2005 8:25:15 AM
Stuck in in his tiny little world and angry that we're not joining him in it. Of course, he would be angry if there were more company- outside of his little clique of aging angry 1960s rebels. Would love to see a demographic study of NCR's subscribers. To see how many are outside that increasingly narrow base. Of course, those of us in a certain political camp see the same phenomena with mainstream daily newspapers. As in why the Hollywood studios want to cut back on full-page, multi-color ads in the NY and LA Times. Won't reach their audience base. Much younger. And who don't read those papers anymore. If ever.
Posted by: Gerard E. at Sep 11, 2005 8:28:28 AM
God bless you, Amy!
Posted by: Mississippi Catholic at Sep 11, 2005 8:30:36 AM
"But it doesn't read too much differently than what the Angry Right writes at times"
When you get caught red-handed, you deny that you were there. Piffle!
This captures the essence of the NCR attitude throughout the years, since its founding, and is nothing new.
I read "Gaudium et Spes" last night because I doubted it called for attitudes and positions claimed by Jones; it doesn't. You can read it online (it's about 100 pages) or find it in the Basic Sixteen Documents at the library.
Posted by: Lee at Sep 11, 2005 8:41:30 AM
"Whom the gods would destroy
They first make angry."
Posted by: Judy at Sep 11, 2005 8:51:51 AM
Amy re Is there a different, parallel universe of which I'm not aware?
I'm not so sure that he's in a different, parallel universe. The man is manifestly angry at the direction the Church is headed these days. But that direction is toward a return to right belief, a shedding of the post-VII distortions and craziness that infected the U.S. Church in the last 30+ years.
This regained sense of balance is what I call the "Holy Spirit's counterattack": young fogies and old fogies, scores of young priests faithful to Church teaching, etc. Jones sees this, and it angers him. His characterizations of it are vicious and unbalanced, but he does see it. He lives in the same universe and Church that we live in.
Posted by: Cornelius at Sep 11, 2005 9:26:34 AM
"The U.S. church’s current vibrant center is those young Catholics who flesh out the Gospel and deepen their appreciation of the Jesus who began with the poor by serving the poor and continuing to demand systemic change. They and their involved and demanding parents and grandparents, and the supportive nuns and priests, they’re the candles -- soon to be relegated to backwaters in this new Dark Ages."
ROTFL!!!!
This is the prize winner for "Most Willfully Obtuse and Self-Deceiving"! I am constantly amazed at these peoples' ability to either:
a) pretend that the 150 kids who come to the CTA yearly conference represent a "movement" in the church
b) be utterly incredulous as to why their movements do not attract young people (I mean, for 40 years we've been teaching them that THE CHURCH is not as important as their own personal model of "church", so why aren't they all Catholic?????)
I have this image of Mr. Jones living in an NCR farmhouse in the country, with a staff of old NCR hands around, making fake newspaper articles and fake radio broadcasts to keep him under the illusion that the drivel he's peddling here is what's really going on.
Posted by: Kenny at Sep 11, 2005 9:50:03 AM
BRAVO, AMY! The one major consolation we can all receive from this is that the voices of this angry, embittered minority in the Mystical Body of Christ are dying out, literally. Alas, our convent chaplain subscribes to NCR, and then passes on the issues (thinking we sisters would read them). I quickly take them and use them to line the garbage. I just wish we had a cat so I could place the NCRs in a litterbox!
Posted by: SJM at Sep 11, 2005 10:02:40 AM
+J.M.J+
If people like that are angry at the direction the Church is headed, that is cause for joy and hope for us giddy non-questioning dolts with birdie-bobbing heads. We lovers of "pietistic nonsense" who don't matter one bit to the modernist know-it-alls who are ever-so-smart and oh-so-superior to us 19th century throwback neanderthals, who stamp their little feet in impotent rage at our dear Christ on earth because he doesn't share their vision of the "spirit of Vatican II."
We don't matter because we "just want Jesus." What a terrible thing to want!
And has this guy ever noticed that those "renewed women’s congregations" are all dying?
In Jesu et Maria,
Posted by: Rosemarie at Sep 11, 2005 10:10:55 AM
I imagine Jones would characterize me as a bobble-headed NDA (New Dark Ages) Catholic, but I did have an interesting conversation with another young Catholic awhile back, one whom Jones might call "progressive." He told me that as far as he could tell, the only energy among young Catholics was among the NDA-types and those taking up radical service of the poor and needy. (Of course, I would hope that there was no necessary division between the two.) Just thought I'd add that to the mix.
New Dark Ages. Hoo!
Posted by: Lickona at Sep 11, 2005 10:11:11 AM
I have this image of Mr. Jones living in an NCR farmhouse in the country, with a staff of old NCR hands around, making fake newspaper articles and fake radio broadcasts to keep him under the illusion that the drivel he's peddling here is what's really going on.
Malcom Muggeridge wrote in one of his books about his former employer, Lord Beaverbrook, who would write articles to assuage his doubts about current issues, have them printed as newspaper editorials in his newspaper, then read them and be convinced thereby that everything was just as he thought it was.
NCR has functioned like that for decades.
Posted by: Eileen R at Sep 11, 2005 10:33:06 AM
I think we need a convention to keep the Reporter and the Register straight - they both get abbreviated NCR, which required me to think.
That is SO not fair.
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