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Lily

What did you think of Charlie's hoarding of the heroin laden Marian statues at the end?
Is he doing that in case he wants to "start up" again?
That was sad to see that side of him....tragic, but terribly human.

Gerard E.

Because human beings are not normally wired to face themselves. To see how smelly and dirty and cheap and petty we really are. And get that it's smelly, dirty, cheap and petty. "I was an altar boy" was a clean steal from Kerry's campaign. Or notice how many people in the pro-abort movement have ethnic backgrounds prominent in U.S. Catholicism or blurt out those personal histories. Then back to their smelly dirty rationalizations. It always comes through in the wash.

Thomas Aquinas

Couldn't agree more. I've taken to watching it as I rock my baby boy to sleep. Wanted to cry when he found his dead brother. And the taking on of his brother's priesthood, though theologically suspect, was dramatically wonderful.

But what's with the funky black smoke?

St. Jimbob of the Apokalypse

At the beginning of the show, Criminals come to Eko's village, and ready an older man for an execution. The gang takes Eko's younger brother out of the crowd, forcing a pistol into his hands and orders him to shoot the old man. He balk, the gun shaking in his hands as the gang shouts the order to shoot. Eko steps forward, takes the gun from his brother, and shoots the old man.

After shooting the man, the gang accept Eko as a kindred spirit, and tear a crucifix from around his neck, throwing it into the dirt. The younger brother picks up the crucifix and puts it on.

It makes the last scene more dramatic, taking up the Cross that he laid aside many years before.

It was interesting how the issue of simony was dealt with, and the requirement of repentance to make reconciliation valid. All in all, I was glad to have seen it, with much real food for thought.

Sue T.

Amy--I agree that Lost is one of the best (if not THE best) broadcast television shows with spiritual and religous themes.

Lily-I think you are on the mark about Charlie's hoarding of the statues.

On the black smoke--did you catch that there were pictures and images in the smoke? A crucifix, Eko's brother, and other figures from Eko's flashbacks.

If this black smoke is the island's "monster", I don't get how it got the airplane pilot in the first episode. That must be some powerful smoke!

Thomas Aquinas

Sue T. Didn't catch all of that. But it is significant that he could stare it down, and not flee or flinch. Confronting his demons?

Charlie the short man up in the tree? Zacchaeus? Luke 19:9-10 on the story of Zacchaeus: "9Then Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because he too is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek out and to save the lost."

Paul Smith

One question I had: wasn't that the King James version of the 23rd Psalm they were reciting? Why would two Catholics know that version as opposed to a Catholic translation?

Thomas Aquinas

Meant to capitalize "LOST" in that last post quoting Luke.

JTFS

Thanks for bringing this up Amy. It was a really excellent episode of what is turning out to be a great show.

Somehow the "monster"...and in fact the whole island and the castaways presence on it...seems to have something to do with redemption and reconciliation. That has tremendous possibilities that are just now beginning to be realized.

Grace and Peace,
Joe

JenB

I LOVED last nights show. I like the show anyway (tho annoyed with the 8-9 "recap" I'd seen everything already!!)

Did you catch that when Charlie asked him if he was a priest he thought a bit and then said "yeah, I am.". Then think back to when his brother got shot, and the plane left without him. The guards came up and said "Father, are you ok? Father?" Eko realized that he had a chance for redemption. He could use that piece of paper that his brother signed making him a priest to reconcile his life like his brother Yami (?) had always wanted him to.

Looking back I wonder if the black smoke was an evil of some sort? It certainly seemed that it was the scary "thing" that everyone feared. Interesting that it came to Mr Eko and Mr Eko (who it appears had been living the life of a changed man, maybe even as a priest) could stare down evil and evil ran.

I would say that Charlie indirectly experienced a conversion as well (though we may not see this played out in later plots) since, yes, he first commented "I was an alter boy" but later realized the magnitude of Eko's life said the 23rd Psalm with Eko

It was a story of sacrifice and redemption. Yeah, they even got reconciliation right. I just loved it.

Tim F.

I think Locke stared down that smoke in the first season, they just didn't show it on screen. And did anyone catch the scripture verses on Eko's arm? Knowing this show I'm sure they are significant. He said it was things he needed to remember.

Ken

"...this apparent attempt to clone Desperate Housewives into an Episcopal rectory..."?????

That sounds right out of the joke "High Concept Proposals" you hear when South Park goes inside a Hollywood pitch session!

-----

Ever since seeing a *real* Hollywood pitch session sheet, I've had this idea for a game show called High Concept.

Instead of pitching to other insiders (my agent will call your agent, love ya baby, ciao), they pitch to a studio audience and game contestant panels. Some of the pitches are real, some are bogus. The panel (and audience) have to guess which are which plus award some special awards:
* The one we'd most like to see on the screen.
* The one we'd least like to see.
* Special award: HAVE YOU GONE STUPID?

anon

The black smoke seemed hokey, until the 23rd Psalm, "I shall fear no evil . . ." and coupled with the magnificent way Eko (re-)took up his cross, it was, for network TV, a true WOW!

Sue T.

Good comments everyone.

Thomas Aquinas--the Zacchaeus parallels are interesting.

Jen B.--I think that Charlie is in the midst of conversion too. In addition to his recitation of the psalm with Eko, there was that episode in Season 1 when he prayed with Rose.

To me, Charlie represents how all who have a desire to do the right thing struggle with weakness and temptation.

RB

Last night's episode I think showed that the overarching theme of the series is not only going to be redemption, but a conflict between true redemption through transcendence, and false redemption through belief in the rational perfectibility of man. Eko's encounter with the "monster" parallels with that of the only other character to see it directly: Locke. Remember that when Locke came to the island he was a broken man both firguratively and literally. After mysteriously regaining the ability to walk, Locke also found that the island offered him a purpose that he previously lacked. He encountered the monster for the first time while on his first boar hunt. When he saw it, it seemed to rise above him and the look on his face was beatific. He later said "I have looked into the eye of this island, and what I saw was beautiful."

But all the island really offered him were material benefits and a perverse faith that led him to exploit others while unquestioningly following the Island's wishes. The second time he saw the monster was when they were on their way to open the Hatch. This time when he saw it, he was terrified and the island tried to "eat" him. These two encounters are a neat metaphor for the initial promise of rational schemes to pefect mankind, and the terrible consequences that result therefrom. Like the various experiments that seem to have been conducted on the island, and the terror and anarchy that exist there now.

Eko, on the other hand, had already found true redemption through Christ. When he encountered the monster it seemed to see that it had no use for him, because his faith had already raised him up out of his past sin. In fact, he seemed to have been the most evil of all the characters in his flashback. Yet his faith made him whole, and he has no need for false idols. Sorry, for the long comment. I can't wait to see how this potential conflict between Eko and Locke plays out. It also kind of throws a wrench into the prior conflict between Jack and Locke as "Man of Science, Man of Faith." Does anyone else have any thoughts about this?

Zach Frey

I have only caught snipped of the show, but ...

From the comments, it sounds like it's no accident the character's name is "Locke".


peace,

JenB

RB: COOOOL. I'd totally forgotten about Locke's meeting with the "monster" Thomas Aquinas. Very cool.

Terry LaForest Lynch

"Charlie hoarding heroin laden staues of the Virgin Mary".
Maybe it's not just the heroin he's hoarding. Two things pulling at him- the heroin addiction, sure, but also the Holy Spirit thru the intercession of our Lady. Look at his face in his final scene. (Not that I think this is what the writer and the actor ncecessarily had in mind) I thought he was facing the choice of which charlie he will be:Rock-god Charlie or God's Charlie.
I agree, this is a great show. My favorite thing about it is that my agnostic "don't talk to me about religion" most beloved son-in law is absolutely hooked on it. Prayers coveted.

iowakatie1981

Ok, I'm definitely laughing at myself now.

I'm SO not a pop culture person, unless it's absolutely impossible to avoid, and I really don't watch much TV at all (Fox News, West Wing, Nick at Nite). But I've been hearing all these people talk about Lost, and how great it is, and for some reason (I have NO idea why), I got to thinking that it was a "reality" show where they blindfold you and drop you off in the middle of nowhere and you spend the next 6 weeks trying to get back to civilization. And I was thinking how stupid this sounded, and wondering why people liked it so much.

So thanks, Amy, for the education. I'll have to check it out, because it sounds interesting and good and thought-provoking.

And now I'll go back to laughing at myself!

Jeff

Did anybody else think that after his brother was shot Eko went and actually became a priest (instead of just having the papers)? It seems fitting with his whole conversion that he wouldn't keep this lie going.

Anglican Peggy

I was so excited to see this episode.

I also was delighted to see the proper teaching about confession and forgiveness being dependent on repentence. I thought the treatment of the brother as priest was the most respectful I have seen in I dont know how long.

I also noticed something else. The scene where the brother takes a bullet trying to save the others was just about the most perfect illustration in miniature of the Gospel that I can remember on TV. They got it exactly right. Over at Happy Catholic yesterday we were talking about the distinction between Aslan and other heroes often said to be Christ-like figures. Of these only Aslan is the only true figure of Christ because he sacrifices himself for someone unworthy and unsympathetic, as Christ himself did, as opposed to those heroes who sacrifice themselves for their friends and other folks who are assumed to be worthy, innocent etc. Whether the shows writers realized it or not, Ekko's brother did just as Christ did with the same result albiet in just one life as opposed to all lives. He sacrificed himself for his lost brother and his criminal brother was transformed by that act of love forever. If this this episode doesnt find its way into many sermons, blogs and essays in the coming weeks it will surely be a lost (no pun intended. giggle.) opportunity for us Christians. Its a true rarity for TV and we need to encourage this sort of thing :-)

I noticed as well a neat bit of quasi-symmetry in the episode. In the beginning Ekko kills someone else in order to save his brother and it led to a life of crime and evil. At the end, his brother takes a bullet in his own body in order to save him in return and Ekko is put on the road to redemption. Its good satisfying food for thought and thats what I like best about this show when its at its best.

Thomas Aquinas

RB.

Well, as a late comer to LOST, you've provided further information. I do know that part of Locke's problem was his alienation from his father, and the consequent meaninglessness of his life. He believes he has found meaning in the hatch, though it may turn out to be faith in a false God. Notice that Eko brought him what looked like a Bible and said something like, "I think you will find what you are looking for in here." But of course it turns out that it was a HOLLOWED OUT bible, with the missing piece of film. Locke thinks the film is the revelation of what this is all about. The piece of film is supposed to give him the key for understanding, and yet its as mysterious as ever?

Eko, on the other hand, has no real use for the film. He is "remembering" Holy Scripture by writing it down on his club. Notice all of the characters are going through a process of anamnesis in order to understand how they have come to be here-now-confronted by this strange mystery. Anamnesis is crucial in the early theology of the Church, particularly in Augustine. You must understand where you have come from in order to understand where you are going. Thus Augustine writes the Confessions, detailing his past life. We witnessed Eko's Confessions.

Revelation comes to us new from the outside because it is God within who is our teacher, instructing us in our understanding of it. You must "recollect" this Light of God within if you are to undertand what you have heard and seen without. And of course the whole show was about Eko's pilgrimage toward his taking up his cross driven by a process of anamnesis of where he had come from. The gruesome moment when he slits the throats of the drug dealers is brought about because they say of him "you have no soul." He knows it, and demonstrates it by slitting their throats. But now, having gone through this process of anamnesis, he has recollected and thus recovered his soul, and claimed for himself the priesthood that was his by baptism. (That is perhaps a way of reading the scene where he takes on the priesthood of his brother in a way that isn't theologically flaky. It is actually recalling his baptism in which be became a member of the common priesthood of the faithful, rather than a literal taking on of the ordained priesthood.)

It may well be a portrait of two different kinds of faith. Locke has "blind faith," faith in the unknown, as opposed to Jack who has no faith. This is the modern dichotomy between autonomous reason versus "blind faith." All of us in our unguarded moments tend to think that faith is blind. But the more ancient account of faith in the likes of Augustine and Aquinas is that faith is light; it is sight and understanding. It is not a leap into the dark. It is a knowledge given in the gift of grace. Eko does not have blind faith. He sees. He knows. He has no need of a hollowed out Bible with a secret key. He remembers the Word of God. Be remembering, he has found his soul again. "The Lord is my shepherd." He was LOST and now he is found.

Mark Adams

Maybe it's not just the heroin he's hoarding. Two things pulling at him- the heroin addiction, sure, but also the Holy Spirit thru the intercession of our Lady.

Agreed. While it is true that the "I'm a good kid. I'm was an altar boy" line was a good example of how being an altar boy doesn't proove anything, we also know that indeed Charlie was pious enough to go to confession during his rock star days. When Claire says that Charlie is religous even though he doesn't want to admit it she is correct; despite his addictions/sinfullness, at his core Charlie is a religious person. And the statue of the BVM is the perfect icon of Charlie. A person of great faith who is at one and the same time in a constant battle with temptation to sin.

Anglican Peggy

Sue T,

I think I can maybe explain how it killed the pilot. Did you notice that as the smoke approached, there were explosions coming up out of the ground before it? I just occured to me that if the pilot happened to be over one of these then it could have killed him and blown him up into the tree.

Someone, I think Locke, said that the "beast" was just the island's security system. He's not afraid of it either. It makes me think that it has some simple technological aspects to it and last night was the first time that I noticed the upwards explosions. Explosive charges would also explain the trees falling that we saw in earlier episodes.

Cheryl

An "attempt to clone Desperate Housewives into an Episcopal rectory" is the PERFECT description for Book of Daniel!

With all the public hand-wringing about that show, I have to wonder, what did people expect? It's a pretty safe bet that any attempt to make "a series about religion" is going to be about as accurate as Boston Legal representing the average law office or Grey's Anatomy representing the average bunch of surgeons.

Even though once in a while we get lucky with a Joan of Arcadia, I'd much rather see more honest and thought-provoking religious elements incorporated into well-written dramas like Lost than to have TV development people trying to make a "religious drama" like BOD.

Anglican Peggy

Thomas Aquinas,

What an exellent post. BTW I forgot to gush about Psalm 23 being recited in its entirety and you reminded me. I think the last time I heard it on TV was an episode of Little House on the Prairie when I was a kid! Not that I am equating the two shows (Little House. Yak!) but just noting the fact.

I been thinking that they are certainly setting up a opposite relationship between Ekko and Locke. But last night's episode confirmed it for me even though Locke wasnt much involved in the Ekko storyline. Its been clear to me from the start that there is more to Locke than just blind faith although that element is certainly true of him. But he has also been functioning as something of a shaman type for the mid-sectioners. There are many correspondences when you think about it. I was thinking until last night that Ekko was merely the shaman type of the tail-sectioners and that conflict would possibly arise out of simple competition and territorial concerns.

The set up now seems to be a nit more complicated promising potential conflict between Locke the shaman and Ekko the "priest".

Tim Harrison

All I can say is wow. This is the greatest commentary on LOST that I've ever read. I watched last night's episode, but now I wish I had taped it. I really want to watch it again.

Thank you all for your wonderful insights!

Lily

A link to some interesting clues found on the series LOST:

http://teentvmovies.about.com/od/lostspoilers/a/lostthehatch.htm

Meggan

I'm interested in Eko's silence when he first came on the scene. He quit speaking, I assume, because he killed someone.
I was surprised to find out in last night's episode that he had killed several people in his past.

I agree that it was a very powerful moment when Eko recited the 23rd Psalm, especially the line, "I will fear no evil." I, too, connected that with his staring down the black cloud.

Anglican Peggy

Tim,

If you enjoy the discussion here, you should also check out the regular discussions over at Happy Catholic after each new episode. Its not always as high-brow ie you'll see comments about this or that hottie, but its always fun to join in and very often enlightening.

Lily

Also, the BVM is traditionally a sign of HOPE, because through her came our salvation, Jesus Christ. Thus, her statue "comforts" (as Charlie stated) because she is our mother and our hope!

In the same line: Did Charlie mean Mary offers him hope or the heroin in her? Funny, she carried Christ...is Charlie interested in the false idol of heroin or the beauty of the universe she carried in the person of Jesus Christ? Time will tell.....

Bender

Its not always as high-brow i.e. you'll see comments about this or that hottie, but its always fun to join in and very often enlightening.

From one of those "low-brow" commenters -- NO ONE can deny that Kate is HOT, despite Rick Lugari's recent misgivings.

BTW -- HC also has a link to a screen cap of Eko's "Jesus stick."

Peggy

Wow! Sounds like the show gets better all the time. I like its pace of revelation, slow, not rushed.

My huz and I just got hooked on it over the Christmas holidays when a co-worker of his lent us the 1st season DVD set. We've got 2 episodes to go. I've cheated and read episode summaries at the ABC site. We're working on catching up. John Locke's [good name] blind faith in who knows what--the island--is interesting. The potential contrast w/Eko will be interesting to see. We did not watch last night's show, but saw Ep 20 from last year.

Anglican Peggy

Bender,

If you've been there then you know who I think is a hottie. I get short of breath just thinking about Sawyer :-) I dont think I would date him or his type but he sho fine to look at!

You should also know who I cant stand. Sayid!!! Mr Jerrycurl. Icckkkkk!

See I can keep up with the best of em ;-)

JenB

Thomas Aquinas, I'm not sure there is that much depth to either the writers or Eko, that is, I think he really did take up "the collar", not the baptized priesthood, but The Priesthood. That's a pretty subtle point that not even most lay Catholics (present company excepted) gets.

And I don't know that I'm on board with the Charlie and the Blessed Virgin thing. I DO think he's trying to figure out, yes "Charlie: Rock God" or being God's Charlie. I don't think we can give the writers the credit of saying the Blessed Mother is interceding for him. I think it is probably used as a symbol of good, even of a Christian Catholic faith he once had. The tug of war between good and evil.

Mike Hayes

Some have suggested that the island is purgatory and that the characters are trying to "work out" redemption if you will. References to "they only take the good people" when the little boy is "kidnapped" lead the viewer in this path.

Whether this is true or not this is clearly the best show on television.

Thomas Aquinas

JenB.

It is wise to be wary of over interpretation. Just throwing out there food for thought. On the other hand, sometimes you do get literate writers on shows, even some who are literate about matters of faith. Lots of them are English majors; and if they went to good schools they know of the theme of "recollection" or "anamnesis" as a literary type. Goes at least back to Plato. But Augustine makes it a literary-confessional type. So yes, be wary. But just throwing it out as food for thought.

Tim: Eko's silence lasted forty days. Forty days is of course tremendously important in Chrisian narrative. Forty days of the flood that cleansed the world of sin. Christ's forty days in the desert preparing to cleanse the world of sin. And most important probably for Eko, forty days, by some counts, of Lent, in which the world prepares itself to be cleansed of sin. Having killed, he is doing penance for his sins. Anna Lucia says to him, "it took you forty days to speak?" And he says, "it took you forty days to cry." Tears, water, sign of being cleansed of one's sin.

Trivial Pursuit question: what is the shortest verse in the Bible? Answer: Jesus wept.

Question: when did Jesus weep?

Notice also that in those forty days they have been gradually making their way toward the first group of survivors, which for Eko, though he does not know it, means he is making his way toward the plane, where he will find his brother-priest who died in his place. Is he making his way toward calvary?

And here's some really funky food for thought to be wary of: notice that he burns the plane in which the priest has died. Why burn it, rather than bury your brother? The Phoenix is a symbol of Christ because of the myth of dying in a fiery holocaust, and yet rising again from the dead. His brother's priesthood quite explicitly rises again from the dead in Eko in the midst of the fiery holocaust. Despite the mild theological difficulty, I actually prefer the drama of his taking on the ordained priesthood of his brother. The sacrificial lamb has risen from the dead. "The Lord is my shepherd."

Do the writers have all this in mind? I don't know. But it's food for thought.

Anglican Peggy

Mike Hayes,

The shows creators/writers have totally shot down the purgatory theory. They are not religious people themselves and have said that the show is not intentionally or explicitly Christian so that rules out the more in depth and involved attempts to turn the show into a direct Christian allegory. However, they don't discourage any and all Christian interpretation. They just say that we should not read too much into the show. There is a line that they dont want people to cross because it would simply be incorrect. I also think they dont want to get a rap as a Christian show. Being secular types, I think they certainly prefer that non-Christians also be able to have their own interpretations of the show.

I am of the opinion that the show is worthy of respect and attention for the respect it shows for its Christian characters and for its general spiritual themes. I also think that many correspondences to Christianity can be found in the show since it is impossible to create great art in this world without invoking Christian themes whether its by accident or deliberate. But these correspondences are incidental and are painted in with a broad brush by unbelievers. They find their way into the show because its creators and writers have grown up in our Christian culture and have absorbed it. That's the end of it. We are free to enjoy these themes where we find them but they arent put there with any other intent than to tell a good story.

BTW, I was as disappointed as anyone else that the Island doesnt represent Purgatory. That would have been neat. But if its incorrect its incorrect. It cant be denied. :-(

Thomas Aquinas

Anglican Peggy:

The information you provide is helpful. On the other hand, authorial intent is not always finally definitive in the interpretation of the larger cultural meaning of a story beyond its plot. You are clearly aware of this in some of the points you make. The writing of literature or construction of art takes place in a culture, and the language used is frought with cultural valences. Think of the Coen brothers, "Oh Brother Where Art Thou." Lots of Greek themes in there, but also Christian themes, both of which they are having a lot of fun with. And yet those themes have a larger setting within the culture that opens the work to interesting interpretations that do not deny authorial intent, but may go beyond it. The danger is knowing how far beyond to go.

So sometimes, in fact in the most interesting literature and art the object "means" more than what the author intended. The author may be "channeling" his or her culture in a way. And he or she doesn't have full control over the larger cultural meaning because he or she has chosen instruments that have a valence before they are ever used in that particular work of art.

I think it's clear the makers of Lost are explicitly using many Christian symbols. Whether they are Christians I don't know. Lots of non-Christian secularists write using Christian symbols and themes, or Jewish, or Hindu. Think of Robert Bolt and A Man for All Seasons. But the explicit use of Christian symbols certainly doesn't mean they are are trying to tell a Christian allegory like the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.

So as I wrote earlier. Be wary. But enjoy the food for thought.

MelanieB

I really like Lost, agree that it's one of the best shows out there. But I also agree with Peggy that you can read too much into it. They get as much wrong about Catholicism as they get right: one priest cannot sign a document to make another man a priest, it just doesn't work that way.
Paul,
They recite the 23rd Psalm from the KJV because that's the version the authors of the show know or that they found and they don't realize Catholics don't use that translation of the Bible, it's that simple.

I thought when Eko handed Charlie the statue at the end that Charlie was drawn to Mary as a religious icon and not for the heroin-- that certainly seems to be Eko's assumption, but I think that reflects Eko's character change not Charlie's. I think we could have thought that until we saw Charlie's hoard of statues, that makes it clear that what he said earlier was correct: he just feels more comfortable knowing it's there. He hasn't completely turned his back on heroin.
Perhaps in the future he could move to a point where the statue represents something more to him, but he isn't there yet.

Bender

They get as much wrong about Catholicism as they get right: one priest cannot sign a document to make another man a priest, it just doesn't work that way.

I seem to remember his brother the father explicitly telling Eko that his signing the paper would not make him "a priest." I would think that the paper was probably just some administrative-governmental document giving authorization to religious workers for flying out of the country and merely identified Eko as a "priest" for those purposes.

As for whether the Christian/Catholic/religious content is intended, I'm sure that it is. As for whether some of the more and deeper theological components discussed here are intended and included on purpose, I would tend to think probably not. In fact, I would think that they would want to avoid going too far down the theology road because then there is some obligation to be comprehensive and accurate in that theology, and that would take too much work. (In fact, just recently, some folks were complaining about the theological inconsistencies of C.S. Lewis in the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.)

Nevertheless, I do believe that these deeper theological components are creeping into the writers' subconsciousness, and that they may be including it without actually realizing it.

Radactrice

And given the secrets of LOST, why would anyone think that the writers would tip their hands? They may well be building explicit theology into it and not talking about it for fear of losing the audience.

Jeff

So, what happens when the black smoke turns white . . .

(speaking of symbols with other precise meanings in different contexts!)

Lily

Oh you guys are ruining my fun!:>
Isn't one of the greatest joys of art looking for eternal truths that have slipped in, even if unknown to the human creators??
The use of the BVM statue has captured my attention as a Catholic, esp with the heroin stashed in its interior.....what can I say? She's my mother and I believe she intercedes for all....even Hollywood writers :>

Andy K.

Well, Amy, I figured I'd throw my hat into the ring here.

On a completely different vein, I focused on the conversation between Charlie and Eko. Charlie was so convinced that Eko was judging him that he was rationalizing his herion addiction. Eko was looking for his brother to complete an act of mercy. So, Charlie judged Eko more than the other way around.

This struck me as the quiet, strong faith versus the Pharisaic faith of "Look at me." Eko went off into the desert (no talking for forty days) after the burial of the dead from the Oceanic crash. At the end, he managed to heal Ana, who had a chance to cry instead of being the fearless leader.

It seems we have a man who has gone to the evil side of humanity and has returned home. I agree that the dynamics willnow become very interesting.

Thomas Aquinas

Notice also that in the plane Eko confessed with the true spirit of repentence to his dead brother the priest. "Forgive me brother, forgive me." This was the repentance he lacked when he earlier asked his brother to hear his confession. He could only truly ask forgiveness of the brother-priest who had died in his place.

Sandra Miesel

The producers of LOST have repeated stated that the characters are "lost" both spiritually and physically. Life on the Island is their chance at redemption--or final loss. Religion has been treated far more respectfully here than we're used to in mass media these days.
The writers did a great job of dovetailing Eko's story with Charlie's and with Moses and Aaron. (Brother tensions make a welcome variation from all the father problems the characters have.) Although Charlie had stopped using heroin, he isn't really healed. He's immature, needy, and killed a man since getting clean. Requires much spiritual renovation. But being accused of using when he isn't may drive him to take up heroin again, possibly with fatal results.
What Bible translation do British Catholics use these days? I'm not sure if the 23rd Psalm was in KJV or RSV form. The Douay version is sadly clumsy. Wouldn't have worked.
Notice that the Eko and Charlie revelation coincides with the Korean couple showing mercy to Analucia and others being kind to Sawyer,, who's flustered by this. Many of the show's episodes have had such scenes of charity and reconciliation.
A lot of the characters have symbolic names. We not only have a Locke we have a Rousseau. Locke and Eko may be the white and black counters on the backgammon board. Did anyone else notice the Gilgamesh and Enkidu allusion when Locke was working a crossword puzzle in an earlier episode? But Eko's going to surprise him.
I think Locke's father is going to turn out to be the con man who destroyed Sawyer's family, one of the man interconnections this seemingly random group has. The lead characters at least aren't random. Their presence on the plane could have been contrived as the crash certainly was.
It's not Purgatory but it still might be a computer simulation of virtual reality. So many of the characters have hallucinated. The Island seems to generate images from their memories.
Let's all hope this fascinating show doesn't go the way of ALIAS.

Bender

it still might be a computer simulation of virtual reality. . . . Let's all hope this fascinating show doesn't go the way of ALIAS.

Let's all hope that it doesn't go the way of the Matrix! Talk about writers who went out on a theological/philosophical/metaphysical limb and didn't know what to do once they were there.

Radactrice

Perhaps the greatest thing about LOST is to appreciate the journey and not focus on the destination. Like life itself, LOST is mystery to be appreciated, not necessarily a puzzle to be solved.

inhocsig

This is fun. There are lots of religious connections to point out;

Lost is filmed here in Hawaii. This makes it "Paradise" Lost.

The actress who plays Kate is named "Evangeline Lily".

Charlie is brought into herion addiction by his brother, like Jacob is sold into slavery in Eqypt by his brothers.

Local Man

Wait a second. There's someone who thinks Kate isn't hot?

Lily

Local Man, Since I'm a Catholic mother, I think Kate needs to cover up and let her interior assests, ie soul, present itself via her unique face vs emphasizing her sexual features via skin tight and revealing clothing.
As to those who says she's "hot"...."hot" must mean sexually stimulating when viewed bc certainly Mother Teresa would not have wished to be, nor ever would have been called "hot" even in her youth, nor would the BVM. Hopefully young Catholic women do not dress like Kate and hopefully their Cathoic male friends, families and husbands discourage sexually expressive clothing (or lack there of!)...
May modesty continue to make a come back. And purity of heart and true charity/love.
Kate has a wonderful heart and I hope that is what prevails.....
Funny, Claire, the mother, though she has a child out of wedlock, is never dressed since she became a mother in a "sexual" manner. She has on light blue jackets over t shirts,etc and looks lovely. Analucia, is dressed provacatively. The Korean wife is dressed simply, modestly (though perhaps less so than her husband had wanted..wait a minute, so the writers know what they're doing when they dress their characters immodestly.....!)
More food for thought...

Local Man

You must have missed the episode that ended with the Korean woman standing alone on the beach, wearing a bikini.

. . . perhaps less so than her husband had wanted..wait a minute, so the writers know what they're doing when they dress their characters immodestly.....!

What?

Sandy

I was wondering when someone in the Catholic blogosphere was going to mention this Lost episode. It's really nice to see Catholicism portrayed in the media without derision or cynicism. A rarity indeed.

Lily

Local Man, That's what I meant. She started out modestly dressed, but went "immodest" to her husbands distress (bikini).....so the writers wrote that in (the act of dressing immodesty as an expression of freedom) and therefore it's not an accident that Kate is dressed to be "hot."
Meanwhile, since the Korean couple were nearly "lost" and are now reunited, the wife seems to be again dressing modestly.....indicating that her brief encounter with what our culture views as "freedom" wasn't all that it's cracked up to be...and she realized she loved and missed her husband. I thought she was dressed modestly in the last episode when her and her husband approached Michael for a reconciliation. But I could be wrong.

Meggan

I can't imagine how everything will end in Lost. I think that any explanation of all of these strange things is bound to dissapoint someone or to turn out too cheesy.

Maybe, whenever Lost airs it's final episode, no solutions or explanations will be given. Maybe they'll leave it up to us to figure out what it was all about.

Tim F.

I've heard that this all might be happening in Hurley's/Hugo's head in the psych ward. Seeing as how he comes from a Catholic background that might explain all of the other references to Catholicism in the show. Charlie, Eko, the whole redemption theme of the island. Don't know but it sounds interesting but I might be disappointed if that is the case. This theory made me think of the movie Jacob's Ladder.

Tim F.

He is the only one that I know of that had anything to do directly with the numbers before the crash. And the numbers are everywhere on the island. Hatch door, the computer, the signal before Rouseau changed it 16 years ago.

Maybe.

Alan Phipps

FYI, the best "theory" I have seen for the Lost show is explained here:

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Ken

Let's all hope that it doesn't go the way of the Matrix! Talk about writers who went out on a theological/philosophical/metaphysical limb and didn't know what to do once they were there.

That's always a danger when you try something offbeat and bold. Running off on your tangent, you risk running yourself off a cliff.


Sandra Miesel

The numbers--which LOST's creators say mean nothing--are woven through the flashbacks in all sorts of ways, as room numbers, times, dates, the aisle numbers referred to in the store where Locke originally worked, Analucia's cop car number. (Geeks tabulate them!) But if this is a projection by Hurley, he could be filling them in. If the numbers were taken as coordinates of a geographical location, they specify a spot in the South Pacific or else off the coast of Nigeria.

St. Jimbob of the Apokalypse

Has anyone looked up the verse of Revelations that is on Mr. (Fr.) Eko's club:

1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

And there's lots of other tangents to be extracted from the rest of the verse. Here's a bit from Titus 3, also on the club:

For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

And Eko has "Hateth" carved on the club, referring to this above scripture?

Andy K.

Dear Sandra,

At least that starts to make some sense to me. I was wondering how a dinky plane could ultimately get from Nigeria to the south Pacific.

Anglican Peggy

Re: Korean girls bikini shot and return to modesty.

I had a thought about this the other night. Jin has always been a basically good husband towards Sun but at first he was greatly misunderstood. As time has gone on, we have seen how sweet he is to her and how gallant he is for her sake. Sure he has his flaws, but he has a good heart and he tries hard. I think that initially he was worried about Sun showing too much skin because he had no way of knowing who the others were or what might happen. I think he feared the other passengers and maybe feared rape and feared that he might not be able to protect her. So he went a little overboard. Sun has always understood him better than anyone else so she opted for patience with him and waited for it to pass. Maybe the bikini shot was maybe more about lack of fear than an expression of freedom? At that point, Sun was becoming more and more a part of the community and feeling more comfortable and in that sense felt free from fear. Its just another way to look at it. From the falshbacks, we see that Jin has always been a good man who got mixed up in some bad things. His love for Sun has been genuine and he seems to have treated her well on the whole. His freaking out when they first got to the island seems now to have been an exception rather than the rule for his character.

BTW, Jin and Sun are my absolute favorite couple and Jin is my favorite male character as well. What a doll, he is. What a good heart.

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