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May 20, 2006
DVC: The Review
Which will be difficult because I am past caring...even as I am torqued. I guess I'm wishing I didn't have to care.
I'm not going to attempt to imitate the many delightful reviews that have been written so far - I agee with them, although it is really challenging to judge a movie like this objectively because, of course, I'm not objective, I'm depressingly familiar with the source material, and again...I'm not objective.
So, in terms of quality - the reviews are correct. It's a slow, plodding, faithful, paint-by-numbers adaptation, with a hollowness at the center which I blame mostly, aside from various directing choices on Tom Hanks. The more I think about it, the more cautious his performance is - it's as if the only way he knew to communicate "serious scholar" was to just not have any emotional life.
But anyway, that's really not what I'm looking at. What about the way that the Mess Which Is "History" is presented? And is it anti-Catholic?
The "history" is, of course, dreadful, just as in the book. What bothers me most is the total hash that's made of history. It strikes me that if you really, really, wanted to, you could do some sort of Priory of Sion nonsense story without just lying about everything around it. I don't get why you would want to do that, but in case you did, you probably could.
But..the list of lies told about history in this film echoes, naturally enough, the novel, and because it covers less, they stand out more. The lie that "the Vatican" was the power behind the suppression of the Knights Templar - well, the characterization of the Knights Templar, period. The flashback in this involved guys in big pointy hats watching Templars burn.
The most outrageous lies involved early Christian history, of course. What stands out are Teabing's assertion that 300 years after Christianity had been founded by this nice guy Jesus, the Christians grew in power to the point that they were starting to get belligerant to the pagans. They instigated violence. Oh, the Langdon character steps in and says something like "some say it was the othe way around," but you are left with the distinct impression that any violence during the era happened because the Christians were getting power and stated going after pagans.
This is unconsciounable. We are talking about facts here. This is more than just silly movie-making. It's a serious lie, akin to maintaining that Africans strolled on to slave ships because they wanted to go west. There may be ambiguity about certain aspects of Christian history, but this isn't one of them. Tell Perpetua and Felicity, Blandina...Paul, Peter..the martyrs of Lyons, the victims of Diocletian. Real people who died horrible deaths are having their story twisted, perverted and forgotten so a bunch of empty-headed losers who evidently lack both brains and conscience can get even richer than they already are.
Despicable.
And it goes on, of course. Langdon and Teabing get into a shouting match about the Council of Nicaea - to tell the truth, aside from Silas' self-scourging, this inspires the most energy in the whole film. But amid the shouting and (regrettably brief) pandemonium-in-vestments -what will stick with the viewer is Teabing's version - that this was a controversial battle to establish the divinity of Jesus.
(I wonde if anyone who reads these scripts even cares a little bit about logic. But...the "Christians" up to this point were good because they didn't believe in Jesus' divinity, I thought...so they got all full of themselves and powerful before Constantine gave them power? But...??)
Isaac Newton is presented as another victim of "the Church," implying that "the Church" in question is RC, of course. It wasn't, and the Anglican Church, as far as I can tell, didn't have a problem with Newton, even though he had unorthodox ideas (being anti-Trinitarian and more of an Arian in terms of his Christology. I guess the oppressors forgot him somehow). The Church even accomodated him, not requiring him to take Orders, as was the norm for all Fellows of Trinity College.
The Leonardo business is very dramatically shown as Teabing uses his computer to move Mary Magdalene this way and that and proclaims the lie that the Bible establishes the existence of the Holy Grail. As he reached the climax of his discourse, a woman behind me emitted a "Hmmmm" as if to say, "Now that's interesting." Did I stand up and offer a lecture? Nope. Did I want to? Yup.
The Opus Dei material is appalling and almost seems like a "F-You" to the group. I'm serious. These people are not stupid. They've had communications from Opus Dei, they know the truth. They know that Opus Dei is not as it is presented in their movie. But they went ahead anyway. They just did not care. It's pretty stunning when you think about it.
And Mary Magdalene? As I pointed out in my first post, and as Fr. John Wauck has mentioned several times, the massive weirdness of the frantic search to find the super-secret whereabouts of the relics of MM is magnified by the fact that every year, crowds of people gather in a spot in Southern France on July 22 to do just that.
I only hope against hope that a healthy percentage of moviegoers leave this marveling at the illogic of it, discerning that if Mary Magdalene is a saint in the Catholic Church they must not have been trying too hard to "hide" her. That it makes no sense to mutter endlessly about the Jesus' mortal nature but then ascribe a sort of divinity to his wife just 'cause she's his wife. Who knows.
It is hard to say how this film will impact people's understanding of Christian origins. I'm not naive to think that every single person who sees it will be unaffected by the consistent, vicious anti-Catholicism and the total mischaracterization of the Christian story. There are just enough dates and certainties sprinkled throughout to make some viewers go "hmmm." We might also mention that the one who screams loudest about the Church's oppression of "the poor, women, people of color!" is screaming this as he's being arrested fo his various dastardly deeds - Teabing, of course. But I don't know if the significance will hit anyone - the whole thing is simply so logically garbled and mysterious-for-its own sake, that my intuition is that the points that will stick will be the biggest lies, simply because they are most forcefully presented: About Opus Dei, the nature of early Christianity as either a sweet faux gnosticism or power-mad killers, about the hsitoy of Christianity as simply one of oppression, of Mary Magdalene as a maligned secret.
And note to reviewers who blow off these historical lies as just all in good fun or even not strong enough, and hence, a cause of the film's tepidness. Consistency Watch is up and running.
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Thanks for the first-hand account, Amy. In the end we just have to remember that the Church survived Arianism. DVC is nothing in comparison.
Posted by: sjthomas at May 21, 2006 12:00:59 AM
Belated congratulations to your daughter on her confirmation! 'Shake the dust from your feet' and enjoy the consolations of family. I'll say a wee prayer that by the time you hear these words again in Mass, this will all be a distant memory! Rest assured you did the right thing, as USCCB footnote corroborates: "Remaining in the same house as a guest rather than moving to another offering greater comfort avoided any impression of seeking advantage for oneself and prevented dishonor to one's host. Shaking the dust off one's feet served as testimony against those who rejected the call to repentance.
Posted by: Clare Krishan at May 21, 2006 12:39:03 AM
Good review, Amy. I hope the "pandemonium-in-vestments" meme can live on in some positive way after this is all over. It's too much fun not to.
Also (not to criticise you; obviously you can't include everything), I wish more people would make a note of the utter BS that is the "Alexander Pope/Newton's funeral" conceit. Pope didn't conduct the funeral. He didn't even read the eulogy. It's doubtful he was even at the funeral. He wrote an epitaph for Newton years later, but that's about it. They certainly weren't "good friends," as Langdon insists.
Speaking as an English student and a great fan of Pope, I can say that this really bugged me, and I was not the only one to notice it. Somebody in one of the back rows said, somewhat loudly, "No he wasn't!" in a tone of genuine surprise when Pope was placed at that sombre event. There was a bit of a laugh at this.
What a weird event this movie has been.
Posted by: Furor at May 21, 2006 1:10:04 AM
Hi Amy Welborn,
reply to: http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/facts/fm0035.html
I just have to admire a person for letting us know about "The Da Vinci Code: The facts behind the fiction". I also have to comment on your somewhat misguided rendition. Let's just say your opinion for now.
So I'd like to rebuttal your opinions.
First I'd like to point out that the Vatican IS sitting on a library of books that add up to more than 50 miles if packed side by side as in any standard library. Never mind the catacombs underneath and other connected repositories. No-one gets to see these books and in most part not even cardinals and pope.
I had an uncle working there as a caretaker for over 15 years.
I also have family and friends all over the world, from many Religions and part of different societies.
The "allowed books" are available to select few that person must pass strict security measures and credentials. In order to see any allowed book one must know the title, background, content and may not carry with them any recording device other than a plain lead pencil and clean prescribed paper.
Well there goes 99.99% of library.
The Vatican and Roman Church has hidden much information from the public as a way to control it's followers. It is only recently that they started to allow access for very small part of it. Not too long ago even the bible was not allowed to be read by people unless they knew Latin or whatever language it was written in and person was part of Church hierarchy. That means you.
http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/vatican.exhibit/exhibit/History.html
and see attached picture BunkerRegistriSuppliche.jpg ... add approximately 100 times that number from other Church controlled places. To top it off 1000 times that number in private collections, other groups and other country coffers.
Only other way to see those records was/is to infiltrate the Church and
literally steal or copy parts from it at the cost of possible death. And yes, over time there have been many that have infiltrated the Vatican.
The same Church has been killing anyone who has disagreed with it for many centuries. Have been imprisoned, tortured, maimed, killed, decimated, so called converted, forced and harassed many tribes on this planet. As a matter of necessity people have turned to alternate ways of survival from such a tyrant.
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"What is The Da Vinci Code?"
It is a semi-fictional book made to make the average person think outside the box. It also hints at true origins of many opinions and facts.
Leonardo Da Vinci was a painter, scientist, inventor, humanitarian, cryptographer and much more in addition to being one really smart person. For his day an absolute genius. To think he was going to be suckered into being a "slave to The Church" or be killed by them would be to underestimate him greatly.
Of course he hid many things from them as did every smart person, many times right in front of their noses.
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"Is the Holy Grail really the "sacred feminine?""
"The legend of the Holy Grail has taken many forms throughout history, but it has always identified the Grail as the cup Jesus used at the Last Supper."
Huh? Where does it say that? It has only been "assumed" by the Church and by Church followers. Christian records say nothing of it being a "cup"!
But the English do: http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/grail/
The Grail/graal/ gradalis/sangreal etc. translated:
http://www.answers.com/topic/holy-grail
Please read revised and properly translated version of bible for a start. Then cross-reference with every other record known.
Oh I'm sorry, most of those references are locked in Vatican and can't be seen. To see Mason, Templar, Christian Jews, Egyptian, Ethiopian and many others you will need to become a member for many years, if they trust you.
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"Is the "Priory of Sion" a real group?
Yes and no. Not in sense of Pierre Plantard. History does give us a good hint of who though. Many ideas that Leonardo worked on were to save hardship of working class which Masons are a part of. He had contacts in many circles.
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"Does Da Vinci's The Last Supper really contain a code?"
Yes and no.
Lets start with no part: most painters of the time scribed their characters/subjects/outlines while undertaking such a large project. This can be misconceived as code. While other paintings do actually have a code underneath paint. On plaster it would have to be paint or painting it's self.
Now for yes: It is part of a code that extends to different locations. You will need to see those books in Vatican again. Alternately you will need to see Mason, Greek, Egyptian and Pagan records and know the amount of knowledge that Leonardo did. And some that will come out of hiding around 2010 through 2012.
BTW: That's also the time the Church is supposed to fall. Hmmm
And let's not forget: http://priory-of-sion.com/dvc/lastsupper.html
If that wasn't enough then why is person to Jesus' right in passive/subservient/pious stance with interlocked hands, with no beard yet?
I'm sure Leonardo, the perfectionist he was, would forget that all males of Jesus' day had to wear facial hair as being good Jews or face the consequences of public ridicule.
Why are all the people in painting distraught/agitated accept for Jesus and person to his right? Even Jesus has his right has tense but not person to his right. No malice at all from that person. Why do all the males in painting have protruding chins accept for person on right of Jesus?
In order for Jesus to know what's coming he had to have spies in Roman camp. That required Phillip and possibly Matthew to have breads shaved in this painting. All the other paintings of the time have beards accept person said to be John/Mary Magdalene. Again see books in Vatican for direct facts.
You must keep in mind that Vatican and surrounding area were also built on very specific and very accurate plans and down to the last minute detail. Hence the Obelisk in from of Vatican. Which by the way is originally a Pagan symbol. And no, it is not an invitation for converting Pagans to Christianity.
If that is Mary Magdalene in the painting we must see further references in Vatican again. Also need to see what John was doing at the time. Back to Vatican library again and many other records which tell explicitly.
If Jesus' blood line traveled to South of France there must be shipping records. Most are free at respective ports of call.
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"Who was Mary Magdalene according to the Scriptures?"
Even in bible it's obvious she was the only one fully entrusted with knowledge and very close to Jesus because she understood where the other Apostles didn't. For a woman to be that close in their day she "must" have been a wife or very close to being one. If not Jesus may have been stoned to death by his own people, as you may have seen in present day Afghanistan and other middle east areas. Women were priests on a regular basis.
A woman of wealth, means, lineage and power. Even back then Prostitutes made very good money yet nowhere does it say she actually was. For Jesus to become King of his people he must plan every little step and choose every person very carefully in order to leader and king to his tribe. Even some of his own people [Jews] wanted him dead.
Also you might want to ask the Vatican why they are so afraid of knowledge that is from the South of France. I have personally asked certain questions of priests, cardinals, rabbis and they all have squirmed and most ran for cover.
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"So, who is Dan Brown? He is a former English teacher who began full-time writing in 1996. His second novel, Angels and Demons, featured the Illuminati, a vial of anti-matter and a papal conclave. He holds no advanced degrees in religion."
Oh now you are just way out to lunch on this one!
In most part Dan Brown is correct and you should go and learn what history records say about this whole subject. Bible even states that the average dolt will understand it's writings.
Illuminati a vial anti-matter and a papal conclave? You are now talking about every major business, bank, insurance company, part of government in America and across the globe. I'm sure they like you talking this way.
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"What's the basis for Brown's views on Mary Magdalene and her competition with Peter?"
Oh you "do" have a way of taking things out of context.
It actually reads:
114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life."
Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."
Which part of that don't you understand?
And for your information: every, and I mean every, scripture presented by Church to date is a copy of an original or previous copy. Only ones that are "not" copies are in stone and not included in The Roman Catholic Church and or Vatican. They are on public display or in private collections.
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"Gnosticism was a dualistic, esoteric mode of thinking that was widespread during the early Christian era, ...".
Ha ha ha, you make me laugh. It still is and is gaining much due respect among may Christians and people in general alike. It is closer to Christian Jew records than you may think.
Gnostic gospels are additional scriptures to bible that the Church decided to leave out because it didn't suit their authoritarian system. As were hundreds if not 1000's of others. Go see and study them and Vatican library.
The problem is that it is the Romans that are ones who adapted a form of Christianity to suit their means. I repeat Romans. This is why it's called the Roman Catholic Church. Get it yet?
True Christianity was punished via death by the Roman Catholic Church. True Christianity is mostly Jewish in nature. You will find these Christian Jews in many parts of the world. In many cases they alone hold the original facts of what went on during Jesus' time. Star studying. You may find what the Roman Catholic Church and anyone connected to them are deathly afraid of. And you may find Dan Brown is not too far off.
I do warn you; the Church you are part of will try to kick you out, chastise you, discredit you and probably much more. But I don't think these days they will try to kill you since it's not an accepted form of punishment any more.
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"Were Jesus and Mary Magdalene married?"
See above and Vatican records, True Christian records, Mason records, Jewish Communities and many others.
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"Are Mary Magdalene's bones buried within the glass pyramid structure at the Louvre, as Brown presents it at the end of his novel?"
Now this I do not know and will probably never be known since anything that goes into the Louvre does not leave it.
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"Dan Brown claims that the idea of Jesus' divinity was dreamed up by the Council of Nicaea. Is this true?
No. When you read the Gospels and the letters of Paul, all of which date from the first century, you see a clear affirmation of Jesus as Lord."
Dan brown is not too far off. A rightful king of that area was killed and "Jews" of the day needed to find a way to battle the Romans. What better way than to create a Martyr.
Or maybe you have missed the news these days on how the Arabs are doing it.
"... clear affirmation of Jesus as Lord."
Lord? Yes, he was The rightful king for that area and to Jewish tribes and that makes him Lord over his people. God? No, not of the planet, other regions, all of humanity or some other wild ideas.
He learned his miracle work same as Criss Angel http://www.crissangel.com/get.html . Pardon my plagiarism Criss Angel. May I remind you Jesus did study and travel in the East. Actually Jewish priests of the day could to similar as did Egyptians. He also learned many more things in order to be "rightful king" of that area. His Eastern type teachings were direct copies of what's leaned in such "far east" places.
Son of God/Gods? Yes. And so is everyone else on this planet.
"The Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325 was a response to the threat of the Arian heresy, which claimed that Jesus was a semi-divine creature, not of the same being as God."
There are many groups that have said Jesus is not same "being" as God. History tells us "religion" is famous for glorifying regular people to God status. According to all original tribes on this planet Jesus is not God and can not be as one. If he was he wouldn't need to become "dead martyr" to continue having power to take down the Romans and continue his lineage. Get with the program woman! Learn your history.
Unity of Christianity had no major problems and it still doesn't today, even though the Church sure tried to kill off all of them for heresy. Wow, what a resemblance the Church is to Hitler, Attila the Hun, Ghangis Khan and many more.
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"Brown indicates that the Gnostic Gospels were widely accepted in early Christianity and that Constantine ordered them destroyed. Is this true?"
Yes. See Vatican [Roman], Greek, Egyptian, Syrian, Turkish and many other records. To think that Constantine would just idly sit by as all that propaganda was spreading and causing him hardship and possible full revolts, even possible death is ludicrous. If you didn't realize by now it was WAR and one for survival of whole tribes and societies.
Maybe you are missing what's going on in that region right now between Jews and Arabs on TV or just a slight case of denial? Maybe you miss the fact that Jesus was a Jew?
By now I see you really need to get out more and do some basic research. Read "Art of War by Sun Tzu" and "The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli" for starters.
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"So, the whole "Mary vs. Peter" thing isn't true?"
To think that everything was peachy between the apostles is another case of denial. Read your bible woman. A number of times Jesus protects Mary in your own bible.
Maybe start working in any business or agency that's at war with another and see how far you get without hassles from people you're supposed to be working with.
Many times it is said in scriptures that Jesus had to settle disputes between his own people. Did you read the bible at all before posting such drivel on the Internet?
Study your basic human nature for a start and maybe work your way up to historical texts.
"This whole thing should fade pretty quickly, shouldn't it?"
It better not. The repressed people of centuries are starting to come out with their records to set the Church on it's ass for being such heretics and hypocrites.
"Oops!
One of Brown's scholars says, "As the prophesied Messiah, Jesus toppled kings, inspired millions and founded new philosophies." We'd like to meet those toppled kings."
Oh, and what do you think happened to any king that opposed the Church? Did you ever bother to read any history of last 2000 years of Europe and Middle East and how any kings opposed to Church were deposed, killed, poisoned etc.?
Which part of "inspired millions" didn't you understand? Maybe you missed the evangelists, millions of Christians worldwide, splinter religions, new age religions, and many more.
"founded new philosophies" And how many Christian type religions are there now? How many tribes have been forced to adopt the bible? Oh, and what happened to the natives in America by the Church?
Maybe you missed the part how they were forced to adopt the bible and how they learned to mix in their own ways into forced Christianity?
"The Emperor Constantine did not make Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire in A.D. 325. It happened under Theodosius 50 years later."
Yaaaaa! finally you get something right.
"Gothic architecture was not "masterminded" by the Knights Templar, a medieval military order that had nothing to do with the construction of Gothic cathedrals."
Wow, which planet do you live on? Knights Templar were warrior priests/monks specifically sanctioned to do Church's dirty work. There are many descendants still around. Go ask them. Templars were heavily into trade, protecting roads, trade routes, also trading goods and information and anything they got their hands on. Only a small percentage was killed off while the rest blended into populace.
Knights Templar were getting too powerful, even for the Church and were disbanded while good number killed in initial assault while others were hunted and killed. Your last name suggests your ancestors may be some of them.
"The Church did not burn 5 million witches during the Middle Ages. During the period 1400-1800, an estimated 30,000-50,000 people accused of witchcraft (20 percent of whom were men) were executed by Catholic and Protestant institutions and governments."
Oops is right. You messed up big time.
More than 67,000 were recorded killed in Spain, France and Italy alone. Another 1,100 to 5,000 Templars that could be as high as 9,000, up to 500,000 regular citizens in many countries and many more unrecorded. Some numbers have it up to 1.5 million people in all within 1400-1800 in large part of Church controlled lands. For all of Church history and it's supposed Christendom it definitely is about 5 million and maybe much more taking to account wars started and fought by Church.
Quit trying to sweep facts under the rug.
Unless you actually read and understand the scriptures [that's all of them not just the bible], historical records from all over the world, secret societies and records they hold, read good part of Vatican library and how they all interact and cross reference, then learn politics, war, and all that goes along with leading a country/tribe you really don't know very much and definitely not enough to post such silly drivel.
You, as a writer, should at least to do proper research so you don't look silly in front of everyone.
Regards,
Gabriel
~Å~
Tai' Chi Master, Network & Systems Analyst, Propulsion Systems Engineer, Historian, Phd BA QC
Posted by: Gabriel at May 21, 2006 5:13:07 AM
Dear Amy,
Thank you for your review. At the beginning of your review, you confessed that you were not objective. May I suggest that it's a common "faux" sense that we should judge and criticise in "perfect objectivity." No, we should discern in the light of Truth, not in objectivity. Objectivity implies that we stand in equal distance between good and evil and that is not where Truth would be found.
I'm glad you didn't judge from an objective point of view: you told the Truth, that is much more useful and rewarding.
Thank you again.
Posted by: numquamsatis at May 21, 2006 5:23:12 AM
Yes, it is strange that Teabing, the one who does the most mud-slinging at the Church for its lies, conspiracies, cover-ups and murders, is in the end revealed to be: a liar, a conspirator who engages in cover-ups, and a murderer!
Dan Brown, equal-opportunity mudslinger . . . maybe he doesn't care in the end what the conspiracy is about, as long as there is one.
Posted by: Lori Pieper at May 21, 2006 5:26:06 AM
Dear Gabriel Teacup master (or whatever)
May I just point out that the rules which prove the Vatican Library to be a Massive Conspiritorial Cover-Up also prove the British Library and the Bodleian Library, Oxford (the two most important libraries in the UK) to be fully paid-up members of the same mass conspiracy? Just try getting a reader's card for either, and you'll find the same rules about access, about copying, etc, etc. At the Bodleian, you even have to read out an oath about what you're not allowed to take into the Library ('naked flame' is the best one). Admittedly, I don't mind this, being a reader at both libraries and therefore (by your reasoning) part of the conspiracy.
I shan't bother to deny or refute your other points, because it's time for me to go to leave for Mass to prove that I'm part of this appalling conspiracy.
Posted by: Sue Sims at May 21, 2006 5:50:17 AM
The more people complain about how "the Church" "wouldn't let" "anyone" "read the Bible for themselves," the more I come to think that maybe that was a pretty good idea.
I mean, people reading the Bible for themselves (and I mean "for themselves" in every sense of the word; emphasize any syllables you like in there, and I mean it) in vernacular English has produced Benny Hinn, John Hagee and Fred Phelps, among others, and keeps producing more like them with every passing hour. What is lightly referred to as "Evangelical Christian culture" is the direct result, if these complaints I keep hearing are true, of The Monolithic Church relaxing His iron grip on the Bible.
If this is true, I am more dismayed by this tragic lapse in Bone-Shattering Authority than I am in the sad revelation that this Authority was ever claimed in the first place. Think what we could have been spared!
Thank you, Gabriel, for opening my eyes.
Posted by: Furor at May 21, 2006 6:25:36 AM
Gabriel's comments seem much like DVC.
Throw enough lies and innuendos about and perhaps the suckers will believe some.
Verbiage does not imply knowledge, let alone wisdom.
Posted by: Greg Long at May 21, 2006 6:33:01 AM
"You, as a writer, should at least to do proper research so you don't look silly in front of everyone."
Troll Gabriel, that is a classic example of projection.
Posted by: Donald R. McClarey at May 21, 2006 6:39:09 AM
Margery Eagan, a columnist, sums up the appeal which this book and film have for many "Catholics":
"I liked the movie much more than critics did, too. Here’s why: It reminded me that for the rigidly orthodox Catholic it was “my way or the highway” way back in 206 A.D. And it’s still “my way or the highway” now."
For her, it all boils down to women priests and sexual doctrine.
Posted by: Anna at May 21, 2006 6:40:58 AM
Thanks Gabriel, for pointing out the massive amount of work that needs to be done. You seem articulate and have a good deal of facts at your disposal. That someone like you has fallen victim to such a scam and a sham view of history shows how slyly deceptive this stuff can be.
Now, like Sue, I need to get ready for Mass, where I'll be sure to pray for you and others like you.
Posted by: Tim Ferguson at May 21, 2006 6:57:22 AM
I was "invested in" the DaVinci Code materials for about 10 years now, studying secret societies, conspiracies and the like has been a hobby of mine for a lifetime. And when Dan Brown's books started coming out I adored them all as great reads. { forget the merits, or lack thereof, of the reality...they ARE great fictional reads.}
And I worked with three churches to prepare teaching series over the past few months.
The long preliminary was to THANK Gabriel for his post, which took a LONG time to compose and post. Gabriel is a perfect example of the "post Christian educated mind" which we as Christians want to treat as a minority, when in fact, they may actually BE the majority in Europe right now, and shortly here in the states.
THAT is what we are contending with, THAT represents what is teaaching our kids in Universities and Colleges, and THAT is the person that we fail to reach.
Now having THAT person here, is a blessing, for it actually illustrates the world, the reaction, and WHY the DaVinci Code book, both in hard and softcover, has sold 45 million or more copies.
If WE, as "knowledgeable" Christians, cannot engage that personality, patiently work with him to an accurate understanding, that personality will never become a Christian, nor will that personality ever stop trying to undermine Christianity.
I'm glad such a person showed up, to clarify and illustrate WHOM the DaVinci Code was written to....
Posted by: Attilla the Nun at May 21, 2006 7:13:50 AM
Dear Amy,
Thank you so much for your work on the DVC. I know you would rather be elsewhere (scissor cutting the lawn, having a root canal, listening to old Wayne Newton records, etc), but your sacrifice is noted and appreciated.
On behave of Michael, the Archangel, Joan of Arc, and all the other saints: God Bless You.
Epovick
Posted by: Epovick at May 21, 2006 8:10:57 AM
Attila,
If Gabriel is an example of the post-Christian educated mind, post-Christian education has abandoned both grammar and rhetoric as subjects to be taught.
I am also mystified both that he has found the time to study Tai Chi, computing and networks, propulsion engineering and the law AND that in the course of all this learning he never encountered the notion that the argument from authority is commonly considered the weakest.
Posted by: Ed the Roman at May 21, 2006 8:13:05 AM
Editorial (not an Op-Ed) in the Philadelphia Inquirer, directing viewers to the real story which can be found in the works of...Elaine Pagels!
"Admit it. No matter how many slams from elite film critics it gets, you're probably going to go seeThe Da Vinci Code. (Unless, of course, you're in the camp that regards the Ron Howard film as actually the work of Satan.)
In the film, you'll no doubt hear some of the arcane chatter about the early Christian church that author Dan Brown used to give his mega-selling potboiler a veneer of seriousness.
Brown has claimed his book was "meticulously researched." Sure it was, in just the same way The Colbert Report is meticulously researched: Take some facts, then twist them any way you can for entertainment's sake.
But if the film's talk about the role of women in the early Christian church, and Mary Magdalene's function as a symbol of that role, piques your interest, you might want to know the name Elaine Pagels.
She's an authentic scholar on the topic, working just up the road at Princeton University. Her books include The Gnostic Gospels and Adam, Eve, and the Serpent. Her views on women and the early church remain controversial, but she presents in responsible, readable fashion the evidence that Brown has mangled to best-selling effect."
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/14614600.htm
Posted by: JMG at May 21, 2006 8:16:18 AM
As I was reading Amy’s evaluation, I kept thinking that I would no longer have the patience to deal with these DaVinci believers; that if I met one, I would simply deck them. After Gabriel’s posting, I now feel pity for them. Where does one begin with such lunacy? Perhaps with a prayer. . .
Posted by: Epovick at May 21, 2006 8:18:33 AM
"I'm sure Leonardo, the perfectionist he was, would forget that all males of Jesus' day had to wear facial hair..." -- Gabriel
No, he'd never do that. Here's Leonardo's depiction of John the Baptist. Apparently, while rummaging for locusts and wild honey out in the desert, John stumbled across a few Schick razors and cans of Barbasol (and maybe some Pantene Extra Hold).
Posted by: HA at May 21, 2006 8:19:41 AM
Attila,
Your post was excellent. I might just paste it on my wall to better remember the task at hand.
Posted by: Dan at May 21, 2006 8:26:59 AM
Short Takes -
Hiaku & U
The Da Vinci Code
Ratiocinating amok
Hell's gates prevail not
Opie Deus ...
Oopsie Daisy ...
Opus Dei
Tom Hanks
No thanks
Ron Howard
Fiction coward
Teabing?
I'll take
Gandalf
Posted by: Jeff H. at May 21, 2006 8:35:44 AM
Ebert & Roeper gave it two thumbs up. Wha? And I believe Ebert said how great Tom Hanks was for the part and that the movie was better than the book because Ron Howard is such a great director.
What whores! (=
Posted by: midwestmom at May 21, 2006 8:44:10 AM
"If WE, as "knowledgeable" Christians, cannot engage that personality, patiently work with him to an accurate understanding, that personality will never become a Christian, nor will that personality ever stop trying to undermine Christianity.
I'm glad such a person showed up, to clarify and illustrate WHOM the DaVinci Code was written to...."
Personally, I think "Gabriel" is a plant. Something about his post just doesn't ring true, starting with the salutation. I wouldn't be surprised if someone's been charged with running interference on the blogs of DVC's most outspoken critics.
Posted by: midwestmom at May 21, 2006 9:10:23 AM
Gabriel's post had to be the funniest post I've read on this blog for a long time!
Posted by: David R. at May 21, 2006 9:35:04 AM
HA, but of course, the Church wants you to believe that's John the Baptist! It's really another portrait of Mary Magdelene, who apparently belonged to the Galilean Fitness and Racquetball Center and developed some really rad biceps as a result. Just another fact covered up by the woman-hating Church, in its quest to deny female upper-body strength,...,Thousands, no millions of health clubs suppressed throughout the Roman Empire, scores of women burned at the stake for the sin of bench-pressing,..., aerobic dance classes outlawed,...,a tragic tale.
Posted by: Donna V. at May 21, 2006 9:55:40 AM
+J.M.J+
>>>If WE, as "knowledgeable" Christians, cannot engage that personality, patiently work with him to an accurate understanding, that personality will never become a Christian, nor will that personality ever stop trying to undermine Christianity.
In my experience, people like Gabriel have their minds made up, and all the patient explanation in the world won't convince them otherwise. Go ahead and try, though, if you like. Don't let me discourage you.
>>>If Gabriel is an example of the post-Christian educated mind, post-Christian education has abandoned both grammar and rhetoric as subjects to be taught.
When someone begins a treatise with the sentence, "So I'd like to rebuttal your opinions", you can tell right away that he is truly learned. What a breathtaking example of English as it has never been spoken before - surely, it takes a great mind to accomplish such a feat!
(I could be mistaken about that, though.)
In Jesu et Maria,
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