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May 20, 2006

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David B.

Gabriel,

"Searched all over the internet and could not find her addy anywhere. That’s why my post in HER supposed blog."

I'm surprised that this was too difficult for you, what with all your expertise and advanced degrees, yada, yada, yada. I googled "contact Amy Welborn" and the first link offered had her e-mail address. Heck, without even searching the internet, one can just look at the left-hand column of the homepage of this blog to get Amy's e-mail. Perhaps, instead of all the others that you accused of not being able to read, it is really YOU with the reading comprehension difficulties.

Christine

Hmm. Attila the Nun was banned from Carrie Tomko's blog so now she's trolling here. Wilma Tyndale is so off base one doesn't even know where to start.

Gabriel had better check to see if someone slipped something into his cup of coffee.

Christine

Hmm. Attila the Nun was banned from Carrie Tomko's blog so now she's trolling here. Wilma Tyndale is so off base one doesn't even know where to start.

Gabriel had better check to see if someone slipped something into his cup of coffee.

meg

Yah, David - I think the link over there on the left even says "email Amy."

It was tough, but I eventually found it.

Bender

Regarding the box office for the movie, it's done pretty much what I figured it would

Here are the domestic weekend estimates --
Friday -- $29 million (revised downward slightly)
Saturday -- $27.5 million (a decline from the day before even though people had more of an opportunity to see it in the afternoon)
Sunday -- $20.5 million (fairly strong considering that Sunday night is not generally a movie night)

Total domestic estimate = $77 million on 3,735 screens
Unknown is how many pre-sales, church sales, and sales to opponents who "needed to see it in order to intelligently argue against it."

the question is - where does it go from here. I'm of the opinion that it will slide into the basement pretty quickly. Most movies today (especially the summer blockbuster variety) make most of their money on the opening weekend.

Boxofficemojo historical numbers indicate that bigtime movies will make between about 25 percent to 40 percent in their opening weekend. For example, Spiderman's opening weekend was 28.4 percent of its total domestic receipts, while the Harry Potter movies were in the mid-30 percent range. A dud like the Hulk did 47 percent the first weekend, but a good movie like the Village also did 44.4 percent the opening weekend.

I doubt there will be much repeat business for DVC, and would place it closer to the one-third group, meaning that domestically it will probably top out at $200 million, if it even gets that high.

Gene Branaman

"The Opus Dei material is appalling and almost seems like a 'F-You' to the group. I'm serious. These people are not stupid. They've had communications from Opus Dei, they know the truth. They know that Opus Dei is not as it is presented in their movie. But they went ahead anyway. They just did not care. It's pretty stunning when you think about it."

Exactly, the DVC producers did not care. John Calley, DVC co-producer & former Sony chairman was even quoted in the NYT in August 2005 as saying DVC is "conservatively anti-Catholic." They knew what they were making. They purposefully made a movie that insults over 1 billion Catholics & blasphemes the God of the billions of Christians in the world. And they sold it on "it's just fiction" spin. And they're laughing all the way to the bank. Despicable, indeed.

Veronica, check out reviews by Steven Greydanus on decentfilms.com & Peter Chattaway who writes for Christianity Today. Both excellent reveiws from a Christian perspective that detail the film. Well worth your time. I do not believe Jeffrey Overstreet has seen DVC or plans to review it. If he does, I'm sure his would be a great piece, too.

Wilma, please explain to me how bishops in the late 2nd century were writing about the primacy of the bishop of Rome (whom we call the pope today) & documenting complete lists of all bishops of Rome beginning with Peter to that day? We have the documents, Wilma. We have proof that the Catholic Church existed, with one bishop to whom all others gave their obedience as a successor to St Peter a scant 100 years after the death of St John the Evangelist. Constantine did not make the bishop of Rome pope & it's a historically inaccurate thing to ascert. But if you believe you can prove it, please show your documentation. (And actual, real ancient documents, not someone's opinion on Wikipedia.) I find it very interesting that someone who says history means nothing will use history (or the version of it she wants to believe, at any rate) to prove the Catholic Church is *wrong*.

Wilma? Wilma? You there, Wilma?

Dale Price

What's great about Catholic-hating obsessives like "Willllmmmmmmaaaaaaa!" is that she is so focused on the "dread Roman whore" that she completely ignores Gabe's Christian-hating new age syncretism.

Way to keep your eye on the ball, "WT"!

JoeInPA

I misspoke when I said that blockbusters make most of their money on their opening weekend (thanks for the numbers, Bender). Bender is correct in that. After reading what I wrote I realized that that's not what I meant to say. Blockbusters will generally receive their biggest draw on the opening weekend (as a percentage of their overall sales, they'll make more on the opening weekend than on any other). In years past, a movie could sit in the theaters for a while before catching on - the buzz for the movie would drive people to the theaters.

Today that's not the case. If a movie tanks on the opening weekend, chances are it'll get pulled pretty quickly from theaters. It won't have a chance to find an audience (which probably explains why some movies become cult classics after making it to dvd).

The Da Vinci Code was a financial success no matter what it does from here on out. What I was trying to get at is the fact that there are few movies today that have the staying power to hang out in theaters for any decent amount of time. In order to hit the REALLY big numbers, in terms of ticket sales, a movie needs to sit in the box office for a while, which requires repeat sales.

I just don't see this movie having that staying power. I agree with Bender - I think you'll see a slide in box office receipts from here on out.

Bender

I misspoke when I said that blockbusters make most of their money on their opening weekend (thanks for the numbers, Bender).

I don't know that you misspoke exactly. I knew what you meant and thought I was backing you up.

The updated numbers are in now --
Friday = $28.6 million
Saturday = $27.3 million
Sunday = $21.1 million
Total actual receipts = $77 million

Figure, what? $8 average per ticket? That works out to 9.6 million people saw it. (How many watch a typical TV show? A lot more than that, I'm sure).

Bender

By comparison, Narnia took in $65.6 million its first weekend on 3,616 screens, while DVC (at $77 million) opened on 3,735 screens. The Passion took in $83.8 million its first weekend (after opening on a Wednesday) on 3,043 screens.

JoeInPA

Bender, let me (hopefully) clarify this. You did back me up - and that's exactly how I took your response. I apologize if I gave a different impression. After reading your response, I reread what I wrote, and I realized that I wasn't technically accurate (even though you got the gist of what I was saying). I was sincere in thanking you for the box office data. I just wanted to clarify what I wrote so that it was accurate -- I'm an engineer by trade, so I get nit-picky about things like that :)

Plus there are folks who would pounce on my inaccuracy as an excuse to denounce everything I wrote. Sounds like we're both in agreement - the movie's gonna be on DVD by Summer. Unfortunately it was a financial success (even though it sounds like it was as dry as toast - as one review put it, it was like watching someone do a Sudoku puzzle) and will lead to additional movies denegrating the Church (as if Hollywood REALLY needs that incentive...).

It's never going to be "Passion of the Christ" big, or "Titanic" big, but it was still a big draw - but like I said in my first post, it was in line with what I expected. Interestingly enough, I don't hear people really talking about the movie beyond the normal "so, are you going to see The Da Vinci Code?" question. Beyond the reviews, that's the real reason I see the movie tanking. Outside of blogs like this one, and the media, I've heard no real buzz on the movie since it's come out.

Again, I apologize if I gave a mistaken impression on your response - and thanks again for the numbers and the support.

Gsbriel

I realize that any visitor to this blog [as most Christian/Catholic blogs] with a different opinion, asking questions, asking for proof, notwithstanding their experience, age, where they are from and their history is going to get the same kind of treatment as I have. This shows a lot about the kind of people that are supposedly Christians and the kind of preprogramming they received from their families, friends and Churches in their past.

It also represents the kind of attacks that Christian believers have against anyone that opposes them in public. Ergo, the kinds of attacks that this religion’s people have done in the past. It is what’s called fundamentalism. Maybe this is why many are leaving in droves and looking for other forms and where they will be treated much better.

For your information I’m a senior, born in Europe, grew up poor and in a Roman Catholic household, moved to North America in my early teens and decided to see what the beliefs are here. Studied with the Roman Catholic Church, Jesuit Fathers, Coptic Church, Jewish Rabbis, some Masons and Templars, Mormons, Sufis, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, even Jehovah witnesses, Pagans, Druids and others. My experience has taught me to keep an open mind and check everything that crosses my path. Yet not one person in this blog has provided valid answers to valid questions to my last post.

I am absolutely disgusted at the kind of remarks that come from most of you and the close-mindedness you show. And you wonder why the Church and its followers are hated so much and why people are making movies to dispute it and discredit it in any way possible. Go figure.

So let me remind you of some facts [in very basic language so everyone can understand].

First it was the Romans who started all this by killing a rightful king of Jewish Tribes. True Christians are ones that are from original bloodlines of the time and from families of Israel supporting Jesus. Another words Christian Jews.
The Roman Catholic Church is not Jewish based. It is actually only a copy. Roman Catholic Church has, ever since it started, been a pain in the ass to all religions and faiths. After all they are Romans. What they have done is created a lie. A lie that has been very profitable and put most of this planet under their control.
What happened during the life of Jesus and whole area is well documented by Christian Jews and related countries. There is literally 1000’s of scriptures that are in good hands where the Roman Church can’t get at them.
Over time Roman Church has stolen a fraction of them and are keeping them away from everyone. Nicaeans and many others related to Romans have no business creating a book to control the people and now a large part of the planet.
For 2000 years true Christian Jews and their supporters have been watching such heresy and abuse of the people of Earth. Information has been slowly leaked to certain people and organizations to correct this heresy. This is why there are books like Holy Blood & Holy Grail, Illuminating Angels & Demons, The Da Vinci Code and many more. these are made to question the kind of leadership Roman Catholic Church is up to and has been for 2000 years.
Another words the Romans have been using you, taking your money, making you do their work, taking your and other peoples land while they are sitting in their lavish parishes and Vatican.

Whether you like it or not these are the basic facts. It’s up to you to make up your own minds.

Christine

"For your information I’m a senior, born in Europe, grew up poor and in a Roman Catholic household, moved to North America in my early teens and decided to see what the beliefs are here. Studied with the Roman Catholic Church, Jesuit Fathers, Coptic Church, Jewish Rabbis, some Masons and Templars, Mormons, Sufis, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, even Jehovah witnesses, Pagans, Druids and others."

Ouch! Who was the magistrate in the New Testament who told Paul "Your great learning has made you mad! ??"

Sorry, couldn't resist. Gosh, Gabriel, your life history almost mirrors mine. I'm European born, not quite "senior" yet but close, moved to the U.S., raised in a household of Protestants and Catholics, fell completely away from any kind of "organized" religion in my late teens, early adult years. Went back to Europe a few times and experienced a thirst to rediscover my roots. Came back to U.S., in 1997 received into Roman Catholic Church. I was not "brainwashed", Gabriel, I came in of my own free will after much, much personal reading and research.

Folks like you who come to these sites which are populated mainly by Catholic (and sometimes other) Christians who really do find meaning in their faith are always disappointed when you can't sway us to your way of thinking.

I'll pray for you.

class-factotum

Gabriel:

"Why do all the males in painting have protruding chins accept for person on right of Jesus?"

"accept:" -- to receive something

"except:" -- with the exclusion of

"Bible even states that the average dolt will understand it's writings."

Possessive "its" doesn't take an apostrophe. I know this can be confusing to those who have not mastered the basic rules of grammar.

Your argument might be stronger if you polish that writing! Maybe you should get a copy of Strunk and White and use spellcheck and grammar check.

Course, that still won't help the content.

(Yes, I know this is very un-Christian of me. I'll ask for forgiveness. Some day.)

Gabriel

at my age, don't care about grammer, spelling ,, but u figured it out :)
point still stands, thanx

JohnHarold

Gabriel wrote:

"Some of earlier years questions in Europe;
What is God? General answer; you are just a boy you will understand later. No real answer, to date.
Who is God? No real answer to date.
Where is God? I don’t see him/her/it. No real answer to date."

Gabriel, I can give you some very succinct answers to these questions (and will in a moment), but a fuller understanding requires more explanation than can conveniently be provided on a weblog.

I would highly recommend that you take a look at two books which are readily available at Amazon:

Theology for Beginners by Frank Sheed

Theology and Sanity by Frank Sheed

You can also find in-depth, albeit rather dry commentary on the topic of, for example, "God," in the Catholic Encylopedia, which is available online at:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen

But to return to your original questions, here are some short-form answers as set forth in the Baltimore Catechism:

Q. What is God?
A. God is a spirit infinitely perfect.

Q. Who is God?
A. God is the Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things.

Q. Where is God?
A. God is everywhere.

Q. If God is everywhere, why do we not see Him?
A. We do not see God, because He is a pure spirit and cannot be seen with bodily eyes.

Now, these answers are so simple that they might seem simplistic, but they are not. Undergirding them is a carefully worked out theological system grounded in a sound, Aristotelian philosophy.

Where Frank Sheed's books are particularly helpful is in unpacking the meaning of such words as "spirit".

Pray and read. Ask God to illuminate your mind to understand the fullness of His truth.

Best,

JohnHarold

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