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July 27, 2006

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Jason

If people upset the balance of creation, forgetting that they are responsible for their brothers and sisters, and do not care for the environment which the Creator has placed in their hands, then a world determined by our designs alone could well become unlivable.

--Pope John Paul II

James Kabala

Allen's questions do have a very liberal tone, however (many of the rest much more so than this one). I know she was trying to a "devil's advocate" and I think it's great that she didn't offer off softballs a la Sean Hannity, but it's easy to see why Coulter became confused.

BlastFurnace

From the interview: "Most of the time, I'm an extraordinarily good Christian." So is Benny Hinn.

And this: "When I'm in a jaunty mood, I pray for Him to smite liberals." I'm not aware of too many liberals who want God to smite conservatives; rather they actually pray that both sides might at the very least meet on common ground.

Is Coulter familiar with the Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector? Just curious.

Morning's Minion

Coulter's high theology includes the claim that God gave us the earth to "rape". Charming. The best way to deal with this woman is to ignore her. She thrives on controversy.

RP Burke

Ann Coulter's 15 minutes were up long ago. If she didn't wear those short skirts she'd be in jail for slander and libel. Good riddance to her soon, I hope.

Jay Anderson

"Ann Coulter's 15 minutes were up long ago."

Unfortunately, that's wishful thinking on your part. She's far too successful at selling books to be a 15-minute-flash-in-the-pan. She definitely appeals to a certain segment that's large enough to make her rich. She also is a much sought-after guest by the TV talk shows. She'll be around and successful for a long time.

That being said, I'm one conservative who has never been a fan. Her style - more than the substance of what she has to say - just rubs me the wrong way. It's not a style that is likely to convince anyone of the rightness of her positions.

Rich Leonardi

It's not a style that is likely to convince anyone of the rightness of her positions.

Yup. Her purpose is to embolden a corner of the choir.

paul zummo

Yeah, I am not a big fan of Ann. She can take the bus with Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, drive on over to lefty land and pick up Michael Moore, Al Franken, Maureen Down, Marko Mousilatas, Glenn Greenwald, etc and have a happy little trip all together.

Todd

I think I'd like a ticket on Paul's bus just to watch the fur fly.

Ann is a sharp person, but like many celebrities, she'd become a caricature. I don't understand why BeliefNet wastes the time with her.

But it's edifying to see even an intelligent person can mangle the Bible with prooftexting.

Anonymous

On the whole, I find many "sound-byte seeking" conservative commentators increadibly irksome. Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Michele Malkin. So much bloviation, so little substance.

I am reminded of a criticism I heard from a man once upon a time ... that such people are more interested in being correct than in the truth.

(Not all conservative news analysis falls into this category. Much of it is quite good and fills me with pride, both as a conservative and an American.)

Boethius

Ann is great. I can understand her frustration with Charlotte Allen's questions.

Sean

I love Anne Coulter....and apparently a lot of Americans do also; her books always do extremely well. And I think she is loud, but usually right...

Anselm

If a reporter "plays" Devil's Advocate, it is fair to be suspicious of the character she is assuming. Ann not only refuses to back down from controversial statements--she also doesn't compromise principle the way many celebrity conservatives do, and that that is truly admirable. Why aren't we reading Ann herself more charitably? Ann has a way with words that undeniably and concisely conveys much truth, with humor. Her sound-bytes are rarely empty, and we charitable Christians should (and often claim to) aspire to attain such worldly wisdom.

Donald R. McClarey

"I'm not aware of too many liberals who want God to smite conservatives;"

Go to Daily Kos or Democratic Underground; you'll find bushels over there.

Donald R. McClarey

As to Ms. Coulter, I have never found her funny or particularly insightful. She is a conservative version of Michael Moore, albeit light years more attractive. Her function in life is to make huge mounds of money by belting liberals, just as Mr. Moore makes mounds of money by belting conservatives. They are both well compensated purveyors of raw meat for true believers, and nothing more.

Anselm

Meat and potatoes, rather, for a starving generation. Wit such as Ann's often persuades passionate but undecided and uninformed youths.

kathleen reilly

I agree, Boethius. Ann Coulter is not a people pleaser, which I have to admit pleases me. She is having fun and making a substantive point at the same time. She is incredibly gifted at thinking on her feet, and if a line of questioning annoys her she is not afraid to say so.

Maclin Horton

Interestingly, I just came from reading Mark Shea's excerpts from and comments on the interview, which give a somewhat different picture, especially on the "I'm such a good Christian" line.

I'm not much of a Coulter fan, either, and kind of disapprove on principle of that kind of vicious style (especially if it does violence to the truth, as is almost unavoidable when you go that route). But when I do read her, I usually end up getting at least one laugh out of it in spite of myself. She does have a gift for the zinger.

chris-2-4

Forget whatever you know about Charlotte Allen and Ann Coulter and read the interview. Ann's responses were completely appropriate to the tone of the interview. Did you SEE the first question about religious Wiccans?

Blind Squirrel

What Tony A. and Donald McClarey said.

chris-2-4

What DID Tony A. say?...

sj

"'I'm not aware of too many liberals who want God to smite conservatives;'

Go to Daily Kos or Democratic Underground; you'll find bushels over there."

I think those guys aren't the types who believe in God. Any smiting they'd have to do themselves

Mike Petrik

"Go to Daily Kos or Democratic Underground; you'll find bushels over there."

Wrong, Don. Those two places are not very hospitable to people who believe in God in the first place, let alone a God who would smite any one. But I do agree with your real point -- that the assertion that liberals are more tolerant of conservatives than the other way around to be just self-serving nonsense. There is every reason to believe that each side is equally guilty on that score.

Yootikus

I love Ann Coulter. She's funnier than John Stewart and scores way more winning points for her side than he does for his. Many's the time every single line of her column is a laugh-out-loud punchline -- and true, to boot. Her problem is that her material works way better on paper than in person. Live, she comes across as distractingly high-strung. She should move it from the talk-show circuit to the comedy clubs. Could pick up the delivery chops to match her personal style with her brilliant, biting wit.

michael hugo

Ann Coulter is brilliant and gutsy. Inappropriate? Sometimes. Over the top? Sometimes. While issues of style and "manners" may turn some people off, the real question should be, "Is she right?"

She puts forward issues and perspectives that the Left is afraid to answer. That is why one only hears attacks of style, and not of the substance of her arguments.

For example, I only learned of the Venona Project by reading her book, Slander. Also, the chapters on McCarthy were startling.

As Rush Limbaugh always says, "I am equal time".

Finally, we have some voices not filtered through the MSM. And they HATE that. As they do Bloggers.

Jason

While issues of style and "manners" may turn some people off, the real question should be, "Is she right?"

I think that question is secondary. Pundits like Anne Coulter are part of the reason I hate politics. Fortunately, I'm already Christian, or else they might be part of the reason I hate Christianity.

"And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."

--1Corinthians 13

padrechillin

I wonder if Ann ever studied the question of what it means to be modest in dress (what's up with the scandalously short skirts- she sometimes looks like a call girl in all honesty) and speech-she seems pretty self-righteous most of the time- even though some times it is hilarious, I must admit, when she points out the insanity of some of the liberal positiions, even though she is not always charitable. Maybe it is just hyperbole to make a point in an insane time like Jesus sometimes did, i.e. gauging out your eyes and such...

chris K

Probably the reason the liberals won't smite the conservatives is because they wouldn't have anyone left to support them and maintain some semblance of order. If they weren't there, they'd probably eat each other as they eat their young.

Andrea Harris

Why should Ann Coulter have known that Charlotte Allen was not yet another liberal journalist trying to take her down? Just because we know who Allen was doesn't mean she does.

CV

Allen's questions were pretty confrontational. Basically she sounds like a conservative who doesn't really like Ann Coulter that much, which also describes me, come to think of it.

It's possible to get the whole Coulter schtick (she's a bombthrower, as Mark Shea would say) and even appreciate some of her outrageous comments, while still believing she is more of a liability than an asset. That may be where Allen was coming from.

I think Coulter is a sincere Christian, but one of the many problems I have with her is her apparently monumental self-absorbtion. Is it possible that she has no conception of Allen's general political bent and religious orientation? (Doesn't she have a PR person who can tell her before she sits down for an interview?) Or does she just shoot first and think later? None of her answers in this interview sounded thoughtful.

It seems Coulter's only goal, whenever she dons her black miniskirt and opens her mouth, is to sell herself and as many books as possible. Even if you are sympathetic to her professed worldview (as I am), that act gets old pretty quick.

sj

She's far too successful at selling books to be a 15-minute-flash-in-the-pan.

I'm a little suspicious of her recent sales figures as for several months I've been getting e-mail solicitations offering a free copy of her book if I subscribe to Human Events.

JP

Ann Coulter has staked out her fame in the realm of partisan politics. Whether one is a Liberal a la Paul Begala - "devout" catholic who can be just as mean as the late HR Halderman- or Ann Coulter, it is difficult to shift gears to the personage post-modern humble Christian.

In today's climate, people are more foregiving of the liberal, Christian bomb thrower than the conservative one. Begala was very good at what he did -rhetorically destroy the message if not the messenger of those who attacked his boss: President Clinton. He did he job well, and today, in a lesser capacity he still does a good job for his paying clients. While I don't agree with him politcally, I never once questioned his standing with The Church or his Maker.

Liberals have met thier rhetorical match in Coulter. She, like Begala lives and dies by her quick wit and rhetorical skills. I never met her, and rarely if ever watch her on TV anymore. I've long ago left the fever swamps of the evening editions of Fox News and CNN.

The fact that she hits such a raw nerve with many people indicates that she has done her job well. In a few years if not sooner, her star will have set. It wasn't too long ago that personalities such as PJ O'Rourke and Pat Buchanan commanded six figure book deals and prime time face time. Coulter, like them will be history soon, and many will wonder what the big deal was. Like Begala, her books in 12 months time will be in the Bargin Bin at Barnes and Nobles.

Mary Kay

Until this thread, Ann Coulter was one of the many people, places and things of pop culture name recognition that I knew very little about. (Yeah, you could say that I don't get out very much.)

Having read the interview, I think she's funny. She's funny for the same reason people have laughed for ages: she says what others are thinking but don't say (for whatever reason).

I'm glad someone said to the media:
"As a journalist, do you long to have a sense of decorum? Or do you see your life's vocation as primarily asking strangers utterly inappropriate personal questions?"

And:
"Hmmm, so you consider Wiccans “religious... in the conventional sense”?"

Or:
"The answer to any question beginning "Is it important to you as a woman" is: No. It's important to me as a Christian and an American."

That's not to say that I'd agree with her on everything or that it might get to be too much. But I'm glad to hear a public person say that "opposing abortion is not 'unrepresentative of women.'"

Fr Martin Fox

It just dawned on me -- Anne Coulter has something in common with Flannery O'Connor...

O'Connor wrote these strange stories with bizarre characters, and she was asked about it; and she said something like, you have to do that to get people's attention in these weird times . . .

Could it be Anne Coulter has adopted the same method in her commentary? You have to be over-the-top nowadays, in these over-the-top times?

By the way, at National Review Online, Florence King (who is very funny), was rather critical of Anne Coulter . . .

RP Burke

The Daily Howler (at www.dailyhowler.com) has demonstrated so many provocative lies by Coulter that no reasonable person should believe her if she told me that this evening -- July 27, 2006 -- was a Thursday.

Joe Mc  Faul

As a widowed person, I take personal offense at her uncalled for mocking of 911 widows.

She is most certainly not Christian.

"As a journalist, do you long to have a sense of decorum? Or do you see your life's vocation as primarily asking strangers utterly inappropriate personal questions."

She is a hypocritical media slut.

Jeanne

Would anyone really have any interest in what conservative vitriol she happens to be spewing if she didn't LOOK the way she does? The black boots and cocktail dress routine is starting to get really old!

jobim

Ann Coulter is important because she has made the case clearly, forcefully, and for the widest possible audience, that secular humanism is a religion of values, as is Christianity. It is a breakthrough concept that will enable us to fight the immorality that stalks all aspects of the public square because we can declare it a system of values in all the ways our Christian faith is a system of values. The contention of secular "neutrality" is smashed to smithereens in part due to Coulter, whose persona is a studied attempt to get attention, the way Father Pavone's and Joe Scheidler's graphic posters get attention.

Jon

By and large, the negative comments on Ann are motivated by envy: either she looks better than her detractor or she is threatening his weak (girl-ish: as in girly-man; credit to the Governor of California) ego. Or both?

keith

As a widowed person, I take personal offense at her uncalled for mocking of 911 widows.

Sorry for your loss. That being said, you obviously didn't read her book but latched onto the media hype about the comment. The 911 widows she mentioned were a small part of a good sized book. And what does any of the 911 stuff have to do with her being a hypocritical slut? This is often what liberals do...personally attack a person's character instead of the substance of their ideas.

nicole

Jon:
By and large, the negative comments on Ann are motivated by envy: either she looks better than her detractor or she is threatening his weak (girl-ish: as in girly-man; credit to the Governor of California) ego. Or both?

Sorry, that's just ridiculous. She is mean. She can be sort of funny, but to me, the meanness obscures that . . totally. I am shocked that so many people here have commented that they like her. Whether she has a point, is a Christian, or whatever doesn't excuse the fact that she is mean. Frankly, I found the "I think I am an excellent Christian" part a litle wierd too. Even saying I try vs. I am would show a smidgeon of humility.

I just don't see why we need this kind of thing and what she accomplishes other than repulsing people and selling books.

Nicole

Anselm

Ann is not usually mean, as shown in the Allen interview. She is combative, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's an anti-combative, emasculated mentality dominant among Christians today that deserves at least as much scrutiny as militancy. Much of the meanness accusation is a stylistic preference or simply thin skin. Regardless, Christians can like Ann even if they disagree with a minority of what she says or how she says it. And again she is not merely making people mad--her rhetorical skills show that true convictions can be successfully and humorously defended, and that attracts idealistic young people.

Fred

Ann Coulter is simply honest, and in this desert of a manipulative pc-culture, simple honesty appears to be meanness. She mimics a speaking style that went out with the 1950's. Confrontation is back. Hypocricy is unmasked. Liberalism, the coddled child since the 1960's, is taking it on the chin, crying foul since it has not seriously been on the defensive before the current highly successful conservatives hit the airwaves and book signing circuits.

Mary Kay

Joe, my condolences on your loss. The death of a spouse is difficult, no doubt about that.

As for Coulter's comment, being the homebody that I am, I don't know much about the "Jersey girls," so whether the comment is true or not, I can't say. But I do know that anything can be used inappropriately, even grief. Even Scripture. If Satan could twist Scripture, it's not unthinkable that people can use any experience inappropriately. And do so.


I've also heard unbelievably crass comments from liberal anti-war people. A soldier from WA, stationed in Iraq, was told that a man broke into his house, murdering his wife and children. The response from the some of the "peace" people? Unsympathetic and callous. I won't repeat their comments.

Nicole, a question and an observation. Question: what is it about Coulter's comments that you consider to be mean?
Observation: the ENTIRE quote, "excellent Christian" is "To believe with all your heart at every moment that God loved a wretch like you so much that he sent his only son to die for your sins." She's not saying her practice of being Christian is excellent, but that most of the time, she is well aware of the enormity of Jesus' sacrifice, out of love for a "wretch like you (her)."

Granted, Coulter is not to everyone's taste, but it seems that some of the slams against her are not quite fair.

Michael

If you like what Ann Coulter has to say, you are not a good person, and really need to consider whether you believe in a loving God. No, let me be plain: if you like what Ann Coulter has to say, you are not a Christian.

Stephen Joseph

I like Ann Coulter and agree with most of what she says. I think she's funny and smart. I also think she's pretty, but her legs are too thin.

I guess I'm not a Christian.

F C Bauerschmidt

Reading the interview, I felt embarrassed for Ms. Coulter. For the most part, whenever she was asked a hard question (such as how to account for the fact that many professed "liberal" also profess belief in God), she punted by lobbing an ad hominem. Perhaps she's better when she's got sole control of the mic and doesn't have to answer questions.

Did anybody notice the rather scary account she gives of Christianity: "I'll just apologize for not getting it right and thank him for dying for my sins." So, since Jesus died for our sins, as long as we believe this it doesn't really matter if we treat people horribly or unfairly -- we'll just shrug and say "sorry boss. It's almost like a caricature of fundamentalist protestantism. It is certainly far from the Catholic understanding of the role of infused charity in the Christian life.

F C Bauerschmidt

I just realized that I mixed my football metaphors in saying "she punted by lobbing. . ." My apologies to all football (or metaphor) fans out there.

kathleen reilly

Reading the interview, i felt embarrassed for Charlotte Allen. Like Coulter, I was also unaware of Allen and Allen's political and religious orientation. and I intend to maintain as long as possible my blissful unawareness of Charlotte Allen.

Mike Petrik

I used to not care for Coulter -- too much of a bomb thrower. But having read the first chapter of her new book, I must admit that she is very witty and has the Libs' number. Could she be more diplomatic about making her points? Sure, and so can Mark Shea. But I don't see anyone claiming Mark isn't a Christian or has an insufficient understanding of the role of infused charity. And for good reason, because Mark is an orthodox Christian -- no more imperfect than the rest of us, and probably more charitable. I have no reason to judge Coulter any differently. If you insist on thinking Coulter is more inflammatory than Shea, that is only because you agree more with the latter -- that's all.
Finally, let me be clear: I am not a big fan of inflammatory rhetoric personally, which is why I'm not a regular reader of Coulter or a regular visitor to Mark's blog. But there is a role in discourse for men and women skilled at polemics in the service of truth, and I think both Coulter and Shea believe they are servants of truth (even if in different spheres), and I think we are a richer society for having both stirring the pot.

Yootikus

So a lot of folks here dislike Ann Coulter. A lot. Sorry, but based on the inanity of your cases against her (ad hominem -- is that all you got?), I can't help but wonder how many of you are like those "reviewers" at Amazon who obviously haven't read a single chapter of the book they're "reviewing."

Look, Coulter is a brilliant rhetorician and satirist. Love her or hate her personally, but if you read what she writes you cannot think otherwise. Argue against her ideas and observations, not her skirt or her mannerisms or her "meanness." But you have to read her to do that. You're not going to do that, are you, most of you who are so quick to dismiss Ann Coulter?

M_David

She certainly dresses like a tramp, and her latest books aren't very good.

However, her book "Slander" was very, very good. Brilliant logic. For that book alone, I will always have a soft spot for her.

Patrick Rothwell

Au contraire, Prof. Bauerschmidt, mixed metaphors can be quite vivid and appropriate. Just ask Yogi Berra!

I found her self-serving antinomian statement about how good a Christian she is to be quite offputting as well. If Gene Robinson said something like that, the Catholic comboxes would be all over his case, but because Ann Coulter said it, it's quite alright because she bleets the right notes. And, last I checked, slander, rash judgment, detraction, and group libel are not exactly consistent with pre- and post-Vatican II traditional norms Christian morality. But, again, who cares about all that when she says the things we all wish we could say to stupid liberals, so we must all vicariously live through her as she springs forth the zingers that we rarely ever get the chance to make.

Last I heard, she also claimed that both Bill Clinton and Al Gore of being homosexuals - or at least latent ones. She's going down the crapper fast, and she can't go down soon enough.

nicole

Mary Kay, perhaps you are right. I don't read her books or watch her on TV so what I've heard is comments reported elsewhere. The only thing I've read as a whole is the Allen interview. I guess it seems like it would be nice for her to relax once and be honest and introspective with an interviewer. She just seemed very hostile in that interview.

I do recall a comment reported about bombing Muslim cities and converting them to Christianity. Again, I didn't see the original, just recall reading this comment. That to me seems wrong on many levels and designed to get attention, sell books, whatever, vs. being serious. (AT least I hope she wasn't serious) I have a hard time thinking that is brilliant.

I think Amy is brilliant (I know, call me a kiss a**) for usually being very measured in her reponses to things and trying to really study things in depth. I think Greg Popcak is brilliant. I think Matthew Lickona is brilliant. I think Christopher West is brilliant. I am sure these people aren't perfect, but I think they have helped a lot of people grow closer to Christ.

Ann Coulter, she seems like a good entertainer and her success has probably made her pretty wealthy. Brilliant, not in my eyes. But it's all just a personal opinion, not a serious moral question, so I really don't think it's worth arguing about.

God Bless, Nicole

Yootikus

she also claimed that both Bill Clinton and Al Gore of being homosexuals - or at least latent ones. She's going down the crapper fast, and she can't go down soon enough.

Wishful thinking, Pat?

BTW, how come you don't wring your hands with similar fretfulness over John Stewart and the late-night comedians? They make these same kinds of cracks about Bush and Cheney and Rove every night. Often Ann's lines are snappier, and funnier, than theirs. Last I checked, Leno, Letterman, Conan, et al, were as successful in their spheres as Coulter has been in hers. What gives, Pat?

Boethius

It's so enlightening to read so many of Coulter's detractors tell us what a bad Christian she is. Wow. And you say that *she* is judgmental.

Also, who started the "Ann Coulter's skirts are too short" meme? The only times I have ever seen Ann (and I'm a big fan who tries to see her every occasion I can) are on cable news appearances (which only show the guest's torso and almost never their legs or skirt) and on the covers of her books. The most recent book, Godless, does not show her legs.

But . . . if you can find us a multitude of pictures of Ann wearing a short skirt, please produce your evidence. Many of us would love to see it.

nicole

Yootikus:
BTW, how come you don't wring your hands with similar fretfulness over John Stewart and the late-night comedians? They make these same kinds of cracks about Bush and Cheney and Rove every night. Often Ann's lines are snappier, and funnier, than theirs. Last I checked, Leno, Letterman, Conan, et al, were as successful in their spheres as Coulter has been in hers. What gives, Pat?

What, you know everyone here? I don't like those guys if/when they make comments like that either. In fact, I used to be a John Stewart fan but more recently have gotten tired of him because of just that sort of thing. So, no, I don't wring my hands, but I dislike it from whatever 'side' it's coming from. You apparently what? Like that type of humor either way? Only think it's funny when Ann says it?

I suspect if there was a post here w/a offensive comment from Leno, Stewart, whoever, most people here wouldn't like it. I could be wrong. It's just comedy/entertainment. I think there are bigger things to wring hands over.

Nicole

Patrick Rothwell

Coulter as an equivalent to Jon Stewart and Jay Leno? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That's a good one.

Coulter is really the equivalent of Michael Moore. To say that I am one of Michael Moore's fans would be a stretch, to say the least. Don't forget that National Review stopped publishing her because of her extremist rhetoric shortly after 9-11. This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. It is about basic hygenics in the marketplace of ideas.

Mary Kay

Nicole, sorry about the caps (I was too lazy to do italics), wasn't meant as argument.

nicole

Mary Kay, it was Yootikus that made the comparison. I was quoting him.

Nicole

nicole

Arrrgh, now I'm getting confused. Patrick, I agree with you. It was Yootikus that compared them.

Nicole

Sorry for the confusion.

Yootikus

Coulter is a genuine intellectual, a keen and schooled sociological observer with a rapier wit and a Twainlike facility with the written word. Before becoming a commentator and humorist, she was an accomplished constitutional attorney. Moore is a dunce, a mental and physical slob with a chip on his shoulder and a video camera in his hand. He's a college dropout. Sorry, Pat. I can't see where you're coming from lumping those two together.

Seamus

If you like what Ann Coulter has to say, you are not a good person, and really need to consider whether you believe in a loving God. No, let me be plain: if you like what Ann Coulter has to say, you are not a Christian.

Really? What article of the creed or what defined dogma does "liking what Ann Coulter has to say" contradict?

Unapologetic Catholic

"accomplished constitutional attorney"

really? Has she appeared before the Supreme Court? Submitted a petion for certiorari tot he Supreme Court on consitutional issues? Written any published constitutional law articles or books? Tried any cases?

It's possible she has, but I have a passing familiarity with Constitutional law and I had never heard of her in legal circles. Sounds like resume inflation to me.

Seamus, these seem to contradict certain paragraphs of the Catechism as I understand it.

Yootikus, do you endorse these posititions:

I think we ought to nuke North Korea right now just to give the rest of the world a warning. ... They’re a major threat. I just think it would be fun to nuke them and have it be a warning to the rest of the world."


"I take the Biblical idea. God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees God says, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"


"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."


"[Canadians] better hope the United States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent."

"I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East, and sending liberals to Guantanamo."

Seamus

Seamus, these seem to contradict certain paragraphs of the Catechism as I understand it.

What are the "these" to which you refer, and what paragraphs contradict them?

Anselm

UC--it's called hyperbole. It's a legitimate way to make a point. The Catechism does not impose blandness as a condition for salvation.

Patricia Gonzalez

Ann Coulter is no favourite of mine. She's abrasive, obnoxious, and way too over the top in her comments. To call herself an "extraordinarily good Christian" is prideful and untrue. Christians are supposed to charitable (difficult at times) and "speak the truth in love". Maybe some people would call her style "tough love". For me, it's just abuse, pure and simple. But that's her shtick, and she does it well. As one poster noted above, it just rubs me the wrong way.

F. C. Bauerschmidt

(ad hominem -- is that all you got?)

As long as I'm speaking with someone who cares about the logical cogency of arguments, it's all I need.

Jay

Ann 1, Charlotte 0

sj

Ann 1, Charlotte 0

I think this sort of competition is being judged along ice skating lines, i.e., it's all in the mind of the individual judge.

Unapolgetic Catholic

Hyperbole? I've heard of that and seen better:

"Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews."

Hyperbole has been known to develop into action from time to time.

When do we confront hyperbole?

Mike Petrik

UC,
There is no need to confront hyperbole as such. The problem with the screed you quote is not, of course, with its hyperbolic nature, but with the underlying substantive message itself. And it is for this reason that its comparison to statements made by Coulter is just plain stupid.

kathleen reilly

"Sounds like resume inflation to me."

Coulter clerked at the "next level down" from the US supreme court, the federal circuit court of appeals, which is a huge deal for a law graduate. and she was an editor of the law review at one of the very very top law schools in the country (Michigan). and more from wiki: "was an attorney in the Department of Justice Honors Program for outstanding law school graduates. After a short time in private practice in New York City, she worked for the United States Senate Judiciary Committee, where she handled crime and immigration issues for Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan. She later became a litigator with the Center For Individual Rights."

let's just say that when discussing politics and public policy she knows what she's talking about.

Unapolgetic Catholic

And what is Ann Coulter's underlying point?
Above you mad this odd comment,
"If you insist on thinking Coulter is more inflammatory than Shea, that is only because you agree more with the latter -- that's all."

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Ann Coulter calls for nuking North Korea. Mark Shea has gone ballistic when others make the same suggestion. Ann Coulter revels in indiscriminate killings and torture of Muslims. Mark Shea suggests that torture is "intrinsically evil. I dsisagee with a lot of what Mr. Shea says and how he says it. But I have to recognize that he invariably attemts to "go with the Church."

Mark Shea's underlying message is an effort to align politics and society with Catholic teachings. Although he does engage in name calling, he does not call for violence against anybody. He denounces unjust war, including the use of nuclear weapons and torture.

To compare him to Coulter shows you don't have a clue as to their respective underlying messages.

Coulter is different. Her underlying message is one of indiscriminate hate against groups of people--Arabs and North Koreans. It is not distinguishable from the other quote which was mere hyperbole when it was spoken in 1922. As we know, there were no mass hangings in Munich.

Coulter also popped this beauty:

"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee"

Why don't you drop some of that hyperbole in your next public speech? How long do you think it would take the state bar disciplinary board to act? Oh, and tell'em you were just kidding.

That's why my question to Yootikus was important.

Does he endorse nuking North Korea as an example to the rest of the world?

Does he endorse torture?

Does he endorse broadcasting torture on TV?

Does he endorse indiscriminately dropping 15,000 pound bombs throughout the Mideast?

Does he endorse the assasination of federal judges.

Does anybody here think these are good ideas?

Then why entertain them? Her ideas, at worst, are calls to hatred. At best, they are political science pornography suitable only to be mentally fondled with the dream, "Oh, I wish." Like other forms of masturbation it is spiritually harmful, even if momentarily "fun."

Yootikus

I support Ann Coulter's right to be funny as hell while making sharp rhetorical points and poking selectively sensitive PC groupthinkers like UC in the eyes a la Moe setting Larry and Curly straight after they've screwed up yet again. Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

Mike Petrik

UC,
And when Shea references "brownshirts" you probably think he really means they're Nazis, too. Gheesh. Seriously, if you think that polemicists like Mark and Ann (and Shea is a fan of Coulter's by the way) must never stray from the scrupulously literal, then we just disagree. Nobody (with a brain) seriously thinks that Coulter is any more calling for the poisoning of a Supreme Court Justice than Shea is asserting that gays who want schools to use books that are friendly to their agenda are actually Nazis.
Now it is true that they believe different things (and on that I am probably more likely to agree with Shea than Coulter), but that has nothing to do with hyperbole. If you disagree with Coulter on torture, good for you -- so do I. But at least understand that that has nothing to do with her rhetorical skills, including her knack at hyperbole.

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