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August 02, 2006
A case against Q
Around these parts we muse on matters catechetical and scholarly, and the engagement between the two.
As a high school teacher, like most high school teachers of any subject, I was constantly unimpressed by the materials from which I had to teach, even when I chose them. The fact is, at the time I was teaching (I left teaching to write full time in...let's see...1997, I think. So it's been a while and my authority to speak on such things is considerably diminished.), the religious ed textbook scene was a sorry one, indeed. (It's getting a bit better, but only a bit. The bishops have stepped in, some publishers have responded by stepping out, interestingly enough, and there are materials with a bit more substance available - believe me, I do the rounds at the trade shows, just to keep myself informed).
But that's really not the point of this post. One of the big questions for both youth and adult catechesis over the past decades has been...how much should contemporary scholarship, particularly theological and Scriptural scholarship, be integrated into catechetical (and in this we can include preaching) efforts?
The basic assumption has been that we're adults...or working towards adulthood, scholars are doing and writing all kinds of interesting, engaging things as they seek to engage with new discoveries, insights, and modern paradigms. So why not incorporate all of that?
There are arguments for and against, but the most powerful argument for caution is simply: Times change.
And note, I say, "caution." That's different from "not doing it."
Let's get specific. For decades, most high school Scripture courses have begun by teaching some standard historical-critical method and form criticism. Old Testament courses always begin with an explanation and application of the Documentary Hypothesis - the theory that there are 4 primary strains of authorship running through the Pentateuch (and evident elsewhere, particularly in the historical books) - JEPD, for short.
New Testament courses always begin with discussions of who wrote the Gospels, what their audience was, and...Q.
So what's the problem?
The problem, in my mind, is that these theories are just that - theories, and they are not undisputed in the scholarly community. Further, they don't contribute anything to a deeper spiritual encounter with God through Scripture. This isn't the same as, say, understanding the historical context of 1st century Galilee in order to better grasp the questions about Jesus as a person hailing from Nazareth, or the context of 1st century agricultural life in order to dive more deeply into Jesus' parables. Or, for that matter, taking note of the clear distinctions and jumps in the Creation narratives, pondering that and grappling with where these two accounts come from and what they mean in context. And so on.
No...I'm talking only about a catechetical pedagogy which, right off the bat, asks young people to look at the Scriptures as the product of redactors and asking them to rest their initial intepretations on why those redactors did what they did and how. Kids. Who hardly read the Bible at all, in whose lives the Scriptures play absolutely no role. Even adults - who, if we're talking Catholics sitting in Church listening to a homily in which the focus is, say why Matthew's "Sermon on the Mount" is different from Luke's "Sermon on the Plain" and what each evangelist was trying to do through the composition of each.
It works to distance us from the text, not, as the assumption has been, to draw us more deeply.
Case in point: Q.
All of us know about Q - the source that Matthew and Luke supposedly had that Mark did not. There's not a high school intro to New Testament around that doesn't highlight Q. And honestly, what's the harm? It's just a potential source, which seems fine. Matthew and Luke had sources...why not bring Q into the mix?
Perhaps because its existence is theoretical and there are strong arguments against it? Mark Goodacre had a recent post on this on his NT Gateway blog , which leads us to the webpage dedicated to his work on the subject: "The Case Against Q" - you might start with his Top Ten reasons to question Q. His is a minority opinion, to be sure, but it's out there, and if you read even a little bit of New Testament scholarship you will see other assumptions being called into question, even those about the audience various evangelists were writing for and so on. Matters which are all in chapter 1 of the emblematic Intro to Scripture HS text, on which we all very happily tested away.
The question is not the validity of the scholarship, but the pedagogy for young people and unformed adults that puts scholarly theories, which are adapted, change and debunked, and which function to distance the already-prone-to-be skeptical young person - at the front and center of Scriptural catechesis.
And you have to ask...has it worked?
Update:
Just to clarify, I use "Q" as the center of this post, not because it lacks explanatory power for the new Scripture student, but because it's simply an example of a theory that's put front and center of Scriptural catechesis as much more than a theory, but has interesting and powerful arguments against it. My point is that presenting it as a crucial first stage in "understanding the Gospels" for 1oth graders contributes to them profoundly missing the point.
Cathy raises the excellent point of, well then how do explain the differences when the students encounter them? She uses the infancy narratives as an example.
The hope is not to ignore the differences or engage in labored harmonization exercises, but to deal with a range of possibilities. The problem is that in the current catechetical climate, the fruit of what most young people and your average Catholic adult hear (their primary catechesis being homily time) is: "Matthew and Luke made up different infancy narratives to fit in the rest of their thematic take on Jesus' life and ministry."
Is that really the only possible explanation? No. But it's basically all we get down here on the ground nowadays.
And I'd point you to reader and Protestant pastor Jeff's comments - they're spot on.
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Comments
There are arguments for and against, but the most powerful argument for caution is simply: Times change
And let me add another powerful argument for caution - lower level books change much more slowly. So once the dominant paradigm (or scholarly orthodoxy, to use a term we scholars are less happy with but ought to accept) shifts, textbooks at lower levels are VERY slow to catch up.
Any scientists want to chip in on the relationship between high school and real research biology? The stuff I hear from high school history learning is appalling!
So now that Q is embedded in the books and the minds of educators it will take forever to eradicate.
That's why your work on Mary Magdalene is important, Amy! Important! Cut some of the silliness off at the pass!
Posted by: Michael Tinkler at Aug 2, 2006 9:53:43 AM
When I taught scripture in high school, the students had a one-sentence summary of the class: "Nothing that the Bible says happened, really happened." That's the result of the current method of teaching. Sure, it's more nuanced than that, but from the students point of view, that's what they get. The historical-critical method works by methodological atheism, and the kids only pick up on the atheism, not the "methodological."
Posted by: Karl at Aug 2, 2006 10:09:42 AM
Great book on the theories of Marcan priority and the existence of Q called "A History of the Synoptic Problem" by David Laird Dungan. Highly recommended.
Posted by: Domestic prelate at Aug 2, 2006 10:13:58 AM
I used to be a supporter of the Q hypothesis (I studied it pretty in-depth in a Master's program over a decade ago), but the more I read into it, the less convinced I became. It became more and more obvious that these theories were simply based on unfounded presuppositions (or were based on circular reasoning - i.e. a document is "late" because it has "high" Christology; "high" Christology didn't come about until later).
I have now come to the conclusion that almost all the dating and source theories about the NT are built on a house of cards, and most scholars (conservative and liberal) are too afraid of negative peer pressure to pull out the cards on the bottom.
Posted by: francis at Aug 2, 2006 10:17:03 AM
A highly recommended book is William Farmer's "The Gospel of Jesus". Farmer is the Methodist scholar who first questioned the hegomony of the Q hypothesis in the 1960's (and he later converted to Catholicism). In "The Gospel of Jesus", he explains the catechetical and theological problems that are caused by the Markan priority theory. It really has far-reaching consequences that your average priest or deacon who accepts it on faith simply don't comprehend.
Posted by: francis at Aug 2, 2006 10:20:52 AM
The question is not the validity of the scholarship, but the pedagogy for young people and unformed adults ...
Right. By bringing up the supposed problems reconciling the Gospel accounts early in a catechetical program, it instills a "hermeneutics of suspicion."
Q is more or less taken for granted in popular adult catechetical materials like St. Anthony Messenger Press's "Scripture from Scratch" series. Here's one from Steve Mueller:
In the middle of the 19th century, a two-source solution gained prominence. It argued for the priority of Mark as the original Gospel and identified as the second source a collection of about 230 verses of Jesus’ sayings not found in Mark but used by both Matthew and Luke. Scholars dubbed this source "Q," from the German word for source, Quelle. This two-source solution has been expanded in the 20th century to recognize that both Matthew and Luke had other sources unique to their communities. These materials show up in their distinct infancy narratives, their sayings of Jesus and their resurrection materials. Almost all biblical scholars today accept this expanded two-source theory as the basis for their analysis of the Synoptic Gospels.
Posted by: Rich Leonardi at Aug 2, 2006 10:24:20 AM
Domestic:
I actually took a course from Dungan at UT - it was a course he co-taught with someone else on Jesus and Paul.
Posted by: amy at Aug 2, 2006 10:30:16 AM
I thought the reason the church endorsed "Doctors" was so that the beginner and the non-expert could get a solid, thorough and orthodox introduction to theological topics. High school should certainly constrain its excesses by limiting itself to fathers and doctors of the church.
If kids want to know about the origins of the gosples, let them read St. Irenaeus.
Now some will say at that age they aren't yet ready to read Irenaeus, but if they aren't yet ready to read Irenaeus, then they most certainly aren't ready for Q.
Posted by: ben at Aug 2, 2006 10:32:11 AM
A further argument against using these types of hypotheses in catechetical classes is that when the hypotheses get challenged or overturned by later scholarship, it becomes easier and easier for those catechized in this manner to say, "Well gee, it turns out that what Ms. Welborn (sorry to pick on you in my example) said in Sophomore religion about the Gospel wasn't true, according to National Geographic. That means that she was probably wrong about women's ordination, purgatory and charitable giving too."
If we start our catechesis on Scripture from the perspective of faith, rather than utilizing the latest academic theory, we build a much more solid foundation. A more patristic explanation of scripture would (IMHO) ground people better in fending off the deconstructionists.
BTW - I greatly appreciate all the leads given so far on refuting or at least answering the Q hypothesis. I'm taking a class this Fall on Mark's Gospel, and want to be prepared!
Posted by: Tim Ferguson at Aug 2, 2006 10:33:50 AM
Q is, as the full word, Quelle, indicates, a German hypothesis. As a student at a Lutheran seminary, I was therefore instructed in this as if this were the only theory. It was only ten years later, when working on my D.Min, that I learned that it isn't universally accepted, even among mainline Protestant scholars. The person who opened my eyes on this was the Rev. Canon John Fenton of Christ Church, Oxford. It seems the folks at Oxford and Cambridge have never been sold on the theory. I read a couple of Fenton's commentaries, then had the pleasure of a weeklong seminar with him, and some engaging conversations over lunch and supper. I had been taught (and still hear, as the quotes above indicate) that "almost all scholars" accept Q. Not true. In classes I teach on the subject, I summarize the different theories, and tell everyone that they are just that: theories.
Posted by: Bill Cork at Aug 2, 2006 10:38:27 AM
While we're at it, let's also introduce them to J, E, P, and D. And maybe by the time we're done, everyone will come to see the whole Bible as a human work, and it will be a great victory for materialism. Yay!
Posted by: Augustine at Aug 2, 2006 10:38:48 AM
We used to make a joke in seminary that one of our liberal Scripture professors, who came very close to denying Jesus's divinity, secretly had the Q document tucked away in his room as the treasure of all treasures- wink, wink. It is such a bunch of nonsense! The Church traditionally held until the liberal protestant Scripture "scholars", i.e. deconstructionists, got ahold of things, that Matthew was the first Gospel written. In my many years of study and reading of modern commentaries and taking classes with these jokers, I was never convinced otherwise; although all the PC Catholic Biblical scholars wouldn't dare say that or risk being sent to intellectual Siberia by the establishment of Biblical scholars, which often remind me of the theologian giving a paper in hell in C.S. Lewis's brilliant book the Great Divorce.
Posted by: padrechillin at Aug 2, 2006 10:40:17 AM
A key component to this debate is that the historical-critical approach to Scripture is, with postmodernism gaining a foothold, being pushed to the background by both scholars and our youth.
The post Enlightenment paradigm that says that we can "prove" or "disprove" the historicity of various portions of Scripture is failing. We simply do not have the objective evidence for this work...despite what traditionalists and liberals would each like to claim.
So the focus of Scholars, not to mention your average high schooler, has turned significantly away from "did this happen" to "what does it mean." This embrace of the mysterious truth of Scripture is, IMHO, a very good thing...if for no other reason, it keeps us from deifying our own brains and reminds us of the enormous power of the mystery of God.
Grace and Peace,
Joe
Posted by: JTFS at Aug 2, 2006 10:41:30 AM
I have no particular view on Q, not knowing enough about the subject, but I'm a bit confused as to why the hypothesis of its existence is considered a pro-materialist argument. Catholics don't hold a Muslim view that the Gosepls were directly dictated by God, so why shouldn't the Evangelists have consulted written sources (if they existed) like any other author? The author of 2 Maccabees openly admits to having cribbed from a now-lost history by one Jason of Cyrene. Indeed, the extremely interesting article by Mr. Goodacre referred to St. Luke as possibly having been "fatigued" at certain points in his writing, which I think could be even more distorted for materialist ends than the hypothesis of Q.
Posted by: James Kabala at Aug 2, 2006 10:45:14 AM
A great post!
My first cooment is this. A sound pedagogical (teaching) principle is: Do not teach anything that later will have to be UNtaught!
The second pedagogical principle is: know those you are attempting to 'educate'
Do our texts practice these two principles? I do not believe they do.
But here is the biggie. There is a major distinction and difference between catechesis and theology. Both are ministries of the word but they are very distinct and different.
Catechesis first of all echoes the Kerygma, the message of salvation-thus all catechesis as POpe John Paul wrote in the Exhortation on Catechesis is centered on, revolves around and returns to the Person of Jesus Christ. Our young people-certainly in HS and I would add those in undergraduate work in college are still at the catechesis level [I probably will get clobbered by some theo prof in a college out there reading this lol]
Despite all the pretensions otherwise real theology is done within the Church and on one's knees. Theology in truth is faith, the Catholic faith seeking understanding-as Saint Anselm told us a thousand years ago. There are all sorts of people today claiming to be theologians, not doing theology from within the Church or on their knees, BUT they do not even have tghe adequate philosophical background-metaphysics, epistemology, history of philo etc to approach the Catholic Faith with 'the correct questions' so they can reach understanding.
Thus for example we have a slew saying the multiplication of the loaves and fishes is merely the crowd being inspired to share their box lunches (ugghhh!)
Even the scripture criticism that brings us such 'information' (and that is all it really is) as there are four underlying sources of the Pentateuch or Q is a common source to Matthew and Luke have philosophical underpinnings [an attempt to transfer the Sola Scriptura principle to a new Enlightenment foundation in reason-history in which the Divine inspiration aspect of Scripture is bracketed AND the purely human is 'analyzed' and placed under total human control] and political agendas (Bismark, the head of Germany in his Kulturkampf wanted to overthrow any foundation for the Catholic Church, especially in the papacy, thus his financing of this new criticism that proposed Mark's priority over Matthew's traditional first place[remember Matthew has the whole dialogue of Jesus with Peter concerning the full divinity of Jesus Christ and the role of Peter; whereas Mark's dialogue is at least on the surface more ambiguous-later scholarship shows Mark to be JUST as powerful in proclaiming the Divinity of Christ etc]
The tradition tells us that Matthew wrote the first gospel as sayings of Jesus in Hebrew. This is obviously NOT the present Gospel of Matthew (written in Greek and containing more than sayings) but it DOES sound a great deal like Q doesn't it? :)
Posted by: Father Elijah at Aug 2, 2006 10:45:21 AM
Wonderfully valid question, Amy. Does the question revolve around priority of goals?
Certainly if our primary intent in high school theology course is producing young scholarly theologians, we would be remiss not to introduce them to the commonly held theories of biblical scholarship, questionable or not. The analogy is not introducing young scientists to evolutionary theory, valid or not.
However, if our primary intent is evangelization, I think you and Rich make a good argument that speding significant time on these theories can "muddy the waters" a bit. Q and other similar theories are not generally inspiring, do not tend to lead to a hunger to open the word, and tend to take attention away from the other "senses" of scripture that the PBC document speaks of.
I would argue this: I think the evangelical goal takes precedence, but does not completely eliminate the scholarly goal.
So, in scripture courses that I have taught at the high school level and to RCIA groups, I tend to begin with the spiritual sense of the texts and the "sensus plenior", and then circle back to literal sense and get into text criticism. This way, I have ensured that the students have met the "who" of the scriptures before getting into the nitty gritty of the whats.
However, I think both are important. Even in our evangelical goals, we don't want to eliminate introducing students to historical critical methods of interpreting scriptures because to do so often leads to radical fundamentalism. Now, do we need to spend too much time on the finer points of "Q" and Documentary Hypothesis...probably not. Should we, as the second step, introduce them to the ideas, and the notion of the development of the canon, absolutely.
Just some thoughts.
Posted by: john at Aug 2, 2006 10:47:53 AM
The Biblical Realism approach articulated by Pope Benedict XVI in "Gospel, Catechesis, Catechism" does well at integrating well-established scholarship with the presentation of the faith. In fact, I highly recommend "Gospel, Catechesis, Catechism" to all Catholic teachers regardless of the subject.
Fred
Posted by: DF at Aug 2, 2006 10:53:12 AM
Amy, how wonderful of you to ask the question "has it worked?" of the process of adolescent catechesis. And how nice to hear someone seeing (at least one of) the goals of AC as "deeper spiritual encounter with God through Scripture". I've never seen a kid experience any degree of conversion through reading a CCD textbook, and... hardly any growth in their understanding of theology- forget about scripture!
I can't find any publishers who put out faith formation tests that don't assume that our kids go to Mass every week and have a strong basic knowledge of the faith. We find that most of our middle school and high school students are "unchurched" and to hand them a textbook like the ones we have available now is like handing a chemistry textbook to a child.
Keep asking that question, Amy!
Posted by: Margmor at Aug 2, 2006 10:53:16 AM
Whenever I tried a bible study group I was put off by the spiritual dryness of such literary/archaeological approach to the Gospels. In particular, I find the Q theory quite laughable, akin to "dark matter" in Physics.
Of course Matthew and Luke, and for this matter also Mark and John, had a common source: the facts they witnessed first or second hand. Luke is even more precise on where and how he wrote what wrote as he begins his narrative of the events of the life and death of Our Lord.
Actually, this whole Q thing sound quite Protestant to me, as we all know that Tradition came before the NT. Before being written down, the Apostles and their immediate successors taught the Gospel orally. Therefore, if there's one source it's the first college of bishops under the first pope.
Posted by: Augustine at Aug 2, 2006 10:53:46 AM
Francis, wasn't the notion of Marcan priority inspired by Bismarck's Kulturkampf in late 19th century Germany? The argument I've heard is that Protestant scholars wished to downgrade the doctrine of Petrine supremacy and so favoured Mark over Matthew.
Posted by: anon at Aug 2, 2006 10:59:01 AM
Usual disclaimers: i'm a Protestant pastor, more liberal than some who regularly post here, and who has enjoyed not only reading but having lunch with Dom Crossan and think his writing deserves better response than Borg or Ehrman from those of us who value and love the Bible as the source (quelle?) of God's Word in our lives.
With that, may i note that i have and would never use Documentary/Griesbach/Q material in a basic, intro, pastor's class/confirmation, catechetical setting. It is certainly a way to leave the first time student of Scripture with the taste in their mouth of "first assumption: nothing happened the way it is presented" as someone has already noted.
These are hypotheses, not even theories, and there is plenty of "structural" material about the organization of the books (the Library that is the Bible, and the parallel between OT & NT in organization and content), and the coherent flow of each book, whether nudged by a redactor or the result of a single author, that you can and should spend a full series on these organizing concepts before you start deconstructing a whole that the student/confirmand/etc. doesn't yet see as a whole.
Now, you need to indicate to them that there are issues they will encounter as they go further in study, and additional study groups or gatherings should take them on in all their muddled glory, but i heartily agree that Q etc. has no place a'tall in basic/into material with any age group or purpose, catechetical or otherwise.
The problem, i think, is that Catholic or Protestant, this is what the first six weeks of "Intro OT/NT" looks like in seminary pretty much everywhere, and most clergy/rel. ed. folks tend to reprocess their lecture notes into their "back in the parish" programs, with Amy's noted results. I don't think a devotional, narrative, church-history based approach in teaching Basic Bible is anti-intellectual or non-scholarly, it's just good methodology. You don't start French class by going right to irregular verbs, and you start Latin with "Brittania insula est."
Posted by: Jeff at Aug 2, 2006 10:59:30 AM
Woops! Fr Elijah dealt with this, didn't spot it...
Posted by: anon at Aug 2, 2006 11:01:41 AM
The hermeneutic of suspicion that Rich referenced is in the air our children breathe, way before they encounter imperfect scriptural pedagogy. When they're first told about Q, they have already heard all sorts of popular nonsense about the composition of the canon and the individual gospels. It is a good idea to give them some sense of our current understanding of the authority of scripture, so that they don't just drift along with what the pop wisdom of the moment brings them unbidden. A good teacher can point out that scholarship develops, theories change, and make the point that the process of human authorship doesn't change the inspiration, and a further point about the Catholic view of faith and reason.
The scholarly theories shouldn't be front and center, but an introduction to them can be a good tool against even more flawed understandings. Without such an introduction, many people have mini-Bart Ehrman trainwrecks.
Posted by: James Englert at Aug 2, 2006 11:07:37 AM
That was interesting thesis on Matthaean vs. Marcan priority and the Kulturkampf. Any citations? I suppose Marcan priority would denigrate Petrine authority because Mark does not mention "on this rock I will build my Church," but on the other hand, traditionally Mark used Peter's teaching as a major source, so Marcan priority might also give Peter a little boost!
Posted by: James Kabala at Aug 2, 2006 11:11:53 AM
Re: the Bible class summary
I have to admit that my default position on literary criticism of any kind, but particularly biblical, is "If academics say it happened, it didn't happen." I can be convinced otherwise by strong evidence and good reasoning, but that's where I tend to start.
I am probably influenced in this by one of the longest-running movements against biblical and other lit-crit is the Sherlockians' "Great Game". Although there are tons of nuggets of real information and scholarship, Sherlockians also solemnly produce textual and historical evidence for such hypotheses as "Sherlock Holmes opposed Moriarty because Holmes was actually running half the organized crime in London". Once you've seen how easy it is to play the Game with the same Canon and the same questions and get totally different answers, your belief in academia as a source of credible ideas is bound to fade.
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