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September 15, 2006
Needed: A sense of irony and a clue
This is not an effective way to argue against someone who has questioned your religion's relationship to violence:

But Britain's Ramadhan Foundation, a youth organisation based in Rochdale, reacted angrily to the comments, comparing the Pope unfavourably to his predecessor John Paul II.
In a statement it said: "If the Pope wanted to attack Islam and Prophet Muhammad teachings he could have been brave enough to say it personally without quoting a 14th century Byzantine Christian emperor.
"The late Pope John Paul II spent over 25 years to build bridges and links with the Muslim community. He showed the world that its perception of Islam was false and that we are peace-loving people.
"The Ramadhan Foundation is disappointed that the current Pope has not followed the example of his predecessor; it is essential in today's world that we link together and encourage a wider understanding of our different faiths, celebrating our religious differences is essential in a ever expanding world."
Muhammad Umar, chairman of the foundation, said: "This attack on Islam and Prophet Muhammad by Pope Benedict is recognition that he has fallen into the trap of the bigots and racists when it comes to judging Islam on the actions of a small number of extreme elements."
"The Pope of the Vatican joins in the Zionist-American alliance against Islam," said the leading Moroccan daily Attajdid, the main Islamist newspaper in the kingdom.
"We demand that he apologizes personally, and not through (Vatican) sources, to all Muslims for such a wrong interpretation," said Beirut-based Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, one of the world's top Shi'ite Muslim clerics.
Sheikh Hamza Mansour, who heads the Shura Council of the Islamic Action Front, Jordan's largest opposition party, said only a personal apology could rectify the "deep insult made by the provocative comments" to over 1 billion Muslims.
And in Iraq, the Pope's comments were condemned at Friday prayers by followers of radical Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.
Sheikh Salah al-Ubeidi, one of Sadr's aides, condemned "the offence to Islam and the character of the Prophet."
"This is the second time such an offence has been give before Ramadan," he said, referring to last year's publication of cartoons in a Danish newspaper that led to violent protests by Muslims around the world.
Militant Islamic websites also attacked the Pope, and the Muslim Council of Britain called on him to clarify his remarks urgently.
Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the MCB, said:
"One would expect a religious leader such as the Pope to act and speak with responsibility and repudiate the Byzantine emperor's views in the interests of truth and harmonious relations between the followers of Islam and Catholicism."
Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, said Muslims must learn to enter into dialogue without "crying foul".
He said: "The Pope is a distinguished scholar and one unlikely to say offensive things. If he quoted something said 600 years ago we should not assume that this represents the Pope's beliefs about Islam today.
"But Muslims as well as Christians must learn to enter into dialogue without crying foul.
"We live in perilous times and we must not only separate religion from violence but also not give religious legitimacy to violence in any shape or form."
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Comments
Ok, That pic didn't help my perception of Islam.
Laughing as you burn and stomp an effigy of my Holy Father doesn't help the pr campaign....just a friendly tip.
Posted by: Lily at Sep 15, 2006 10:32:31 AM
Has it come to this?
I'm beginning to think that the Muslim concept of interreligious dialogue is limited to handing the "dialogue" partner a script enumerating the glories of Islam.
Delivered with a not-so-subtle hint to not deviate one jot from the talking points.
Posted by: Dale Price at Sep 15, 2006 10:33:36 AM
Great article by Rod Dreher.
Posted by: Tim J. at Sep 15, 2006 10:43:27 AM
Here's the Holy Father's email for anyone who wants to send support (I did)...
benedictxvi@vatican.va
Posted by: Lily at Sep 15, 2006 10:48:08 AM
Once again we see the "Religion of Peace" in action. Why is it that Muslims' first reaction to any criticism is to engage in violence and threats of more violence, yet they act surprised when people accuse Islam of being an inherently violent religion?
I also wonder about the actual way in which the Pope's speech has been presented in the Muslim media. After all, my bet is that most of these people claiming to be outraged didn't just happen to read a Papal address at a German university and erupt into spontaneous "outrage". As we saw earlier this year with the Danish cartoons, this is yet another manufactured reaction designed to serve those in the Islamic world who 1) wish to fan the flames of radical Islam, and 2) wish to deflect criticism of their own societies away from those in power and to channel the discontent of their societies into suitable Western scapegoats.
Posted by: Dennis at Sep 15, 2006 10:49:28 AM
Found that entry above on FR and emailed the Pope a few minutes ago. It might not reach him, but I think we need to make the effort to lend him vocal (email, I can't call him ;>)and prayer support.
Posted by: Lily at Sep 15, 2006 10:50:22 AM
Religion of peace......riiiiight.
Posted by: c matt at Sep 15, 2006 11:02:47 AM
Prayers for his safety would be a very good idea...
Posted by: Cheryl at Sep 15, 2006 11:34:03 AM
I know it is not the same thing, not exactly anyway, but English Protestants burn an effigy of the Pope every November 5th.
Posted by: Larry at Sep 15, 2006 12:01:42 PM
"I'm beginning to think that the Muslim concept of interreligious dialogue is limited to handing the "dialogue" partner a script enumerating the glories of Islam."
How does one dialogue with the deaf?
Posted by: Kevin Jones at Sep 15, 2006 12:05:51 PM
When it comes to this so called "dialogue" stuff, didn't St. Paul hit the nail on the head when, after a fruitless episode of dialogue with the Greeks, he said,
"henceforth, I will preach Christ crucified." And if this doesn't work, didn't a Person highest on the pay grade say, "don't throw pearls before swine."
Y'all have a great friday on this beautiful feast day of Our Lady of Sorrows.
Ohevin
Posted by: ohevin at Sep 15, 2006 12:23:15 PM
I'll never understand it. People who have the guts to blow themselves to smithereens do not have the guts to withstand a couple of sentences questioning their reasons for doing so.
Posted by: susan at Sep 15, 2006 1:22:31 PM
"I'm beginning to think that the Muslim concept of interreligious dialogue is limited to handing the "dialogue" partner a script enumerating the glories of Islam."
Remove the word "interreligious". This is a very succinct description of the type of "dialogue" that the world outside of extreme Islamism can expect to conduct with Islamisists.
Now, when do the negotiations start?
Posted by: JTII at Sep 15, 2006 2:05:46 PM
Speaking of doing awful stuff 'round about Ramadan (as mentioned, indignantly, by one of the Muslims quoted above): shouldn't we expect the Muslim-on-Muslim violence in Iraq to slow way down then?
I won't hold my breath, either.
Posted by: Maclin Horton at Sep 15, 2006 2:08:55 PM
The photograph reminds me of an illustration depicting denizens of Dante's Inferno.
Posted by: Thomas at Sep 16, 2006 9:30:09 AM
Re: Larry's comment. Larry, on November 5, they're not burning the pope in effigy but Guy Fawkes (1570-1606), a (Roman Catholic) religious fanatic who was caught red-handed trying to blow up the king and Parliament. As a Catholic, I've always been uncomfortable with this, but it just occured to me that it sends a message to anyone else who might want to blow up the state for religious reasons. I don't mean they'll be afraid of a firey end; I do mean children who look forward to the fireworks and bonfires learn culturally that blowing up the HP is wrong and that its preservation is so good its worth having a holiday over.
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