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February 16, 2007
Presenting...
...my (lame) theory of everything.
This is a post on which I have been ruminating for a while, hoping to work out something substantial and formidable, but since I doubt that will ever actually happen, and since I've got one at home today (Joseph - the Catholic schools had a teacher in-service scheduled for today which is still on.) and am a little tired, I might as well take a shot at it before we head to the Y and the library for the rest of the morning.
Much of this goes back to some email conversations I had with an acquaintance who despite his generally "liberal" (for lack of a better word) leanings in Catholic Land was increasingly bothered by the poor or absent content from religious ed materials that his own children's classes were using and by what he was given - both in terms of text and verbal instructions - to teach adult Confirmation in his parish. It also goes back to the Fr. Barney fracas, in which even those who don't give a fig about Latin or ad orientem were, let us say, less than pleased.
The caution at work in the heads and hearts of some, I suspect is a reluctance to be associated with "those people" - the self-described Orthodox, the EWTN-ites, the Steubenville people..all the wrong people. It puts me in mind of two stories.
A few years ago, America magazine ran a postive review of Scott Hahn's book on the Mass. I thought, "Huh. How did this get by?" Sure enough, the next issue or so, a strongly-worded letter to the editor appeared scolding the mag because Did You Not Know that This Hahn Fellow is part of the Closed-Minded-Repressive-Steubenville-EWTN-Papist Circle? Well, I never.
The second is related to me, and my slow entrance into the pro-life movement. It was years ago, I had my convictions, but I was reluctant to get involved because, you know, the movement was populated by Those People. Political reactionaries, anti-feminists, fundamenalists. So I ventured in and found my expectations confounded, of course. I wrote about it here, with the apt epigram from Peguy:
It will never be known what acts of cowardice have been motivated by the fear of not looking sufficiently progressive.
The conversation could go in a lot directions from this point - the ideological divisions within Western Catholicism that stop so many other conversations in their tracks and, more importantly, drain the evangelical spirit from Catholicism as we all look inward and at each other. But not today for that. Because it's back to my Theory of Everything.
I think my Theory of Everything goes like this (and perhaps has been better stated elsewhere by Chesterton or Lewis or even Peguy. Who knows. I actually thought one of the Pontificator's Laws related to this, but perhaps not. I'm sure that someone out there can point us to The Chapter in Some Hidden Treasure that will Solve Everything. Can you tell I've been engaged of Much Reading Aloud of A. A. Milne lately?):
Here 'tis:
Everything will eventually go haywire.
Therefore, it is safest to have deeply-rooted, concrete, content-rich, standards and reference points expressive of tradition as our framework in order to keep us even within shouting distance of the original vision, aka The Truth.
Does that make sense? No, probably not. Perhaps when I say that the thinking is also inspired a bit by the current Anglican Troubles, it might make more sense.
I think the first sentence in my Theory deserves a bit of attention, first. The more I study history, the more I am convinced that the story of humanity is not so much progress but a succession of human screw-ups with different technologies, that's all. Again, not original and perhaps just an evocation of various strains of conservative philosophies, but still a somewhat gradual ephiany for those who have been raised in the hothouse of Journey to Tomorrow.
And that goes for Church history, as well. Things will always go haywire. People will always attempt to turn situations and ideals to their own advantage, and...here's the important part...people will always attempt, spiritually speaking, to do the minimum. The vast majority of us will always seek the broader road, we will seek to rationalize our way out of taking religious ideals seriously (Oh, what Jesus really meant was...), we will convince ourselves that faith is a matter of fitting God into our life, rather than shaping our own life around God. We will do this.
Therefore, any system, any organization that seeks to, well, organize us in our efforts needs to work with this reality, to take it into account.
So what that means, in concrete terms, is that if we, say, decide that young people and children need to know more about the Scriptures, to make it a part of their daily lives (good for us), but then we teach them to do this by:
1) Introducing the Scriptures to them via what is essentially Intro to Exegesis 101, with all kinds of talk about J and P and Q, as well as deep skepticism about the relationship of what's on the page to anything that actually happened and
2) Decry memorization as a poor, useless pedagogy
3) Teach them a bit 'o lectio divina on a couple of Wednesdays when we can squeeze it in
...what are most of our students going to do? What are we going to do?
Perhaps the super-motivated will take it to heart, as they take everything to heart, and give it a try. But what will most of the rest of us do? Take the test and never pick up a Bible, probably.
In those post-V2 years, much was made of human freedom, and the necessity of freedom in the spiritual life. How true! Read Galatians! Read Romans!
But....
given human nature...
what road will most of us take?
I spoke of something similar last night. Educated in the 70's, I learned that the only real prayer was meditation and contemplation. Anything else was childish. End result for a busy, work-outside-the-home mother who geez louise, can never quite find the time or the quiet to take that 30 minutes a day to enter her Interior Castle?
Less prayer, not more.
Is this overly pessimistic about human nature? I don't think so. I think it's just realistic, and not in the sense that we need "rules" - because that is not what the Gospel is about, at all. Not rules, but....the Truth? KInd of there...embodied in teaching, in the art that surrounds me, in the richness of devotions and diversity of prayers, in the strong witness of the saints. Okay, sometimes in rules. If I'm not bumping up against all of that, in whatever form it takes, if I'm not confronted with it, I am very likely to just go off on my own merry, solipsistic way.
Everything goes haywire. It even goes haywire when all of that stuff I outlined above is actually happening. It just goes haywire in a different direction. So, for example, a Catholic environment that emphasizes rote memorization of doctrinal summaries runs the risk of producing adherents who are living on just that level. A culture in which the liturgical emphasis is on things being done just so under the pain of mortal sin runs the risk of burying the spirit under the proper mechanics. A system that emphasizes authority runs the risk of becoming, well, authoritarian. Etc. It's all happened, more times that we can count. And then the reform movements blaze through to try to correct things. Multiply examples as needed.
But I think the difference between much of then (as in the past) and now is that even in the past when much-needed reformers like Benedict or St. Francis or St. Teresa of Avila or St. Francis de Sales and Jane de Chantal emerged, the basic framework still stood. There were limits.
Now, not so much.
Let's look again at Paul, who forces us to look at human freedom. But consider the context, which is in contrast to the Law - not just any law, but Jewish Law, in the further context of identifying the People of God, their identity and mission. Paul extols freedom, but he also excoriates everyone from Galatians to Corinthians for essentially doing whatever the heck they wanted, letting something else besides Christ be their guiding paradigm, their rule, their canon, so to speak.
So what's my point? What's my theory really saying?
What is the Church? It's the Body of Christ, the living expression of God's Word on this earth. Our call - our responsibility - as disciples is to let Christ live in us, through us, to protect and carefully pass on what we have been entrusted, to serve and love in His name, enlivened and empowered by the Spirit.
As human beings, our natural tendency is to want to make that as easy as possible for ourselves and to let the Spirit of the Age define us instead.
So with that in mind, we catechize. We pray. We worship.
Truly, when you examine the various currents leading up to Vatican II, at least in this country - the lay movements that were engaged in gentle critiquing and tweaking of various spiritual practices and assumptions, what they were all about (and I'm going to take a closer look at this next week as I blog my way through a book I just read) was not making it all easier and less meaningful, but making it more meaningful. In digging deeper. The sense was that some accretions and habits needed to go, but no one expected they would be replaced with a free-for-all and an undefined, do-your-best spirituality untethered from anything specifically Catholic.
But in the cultural chaos of the 60's and 70's...things went haywire.
As they are wont to do.
So I suppose my point is that no matter what our intentions, when we untether ourselves from tradition - in the broadest sense - we are putting ourselves in a place where there are no real directions and where the wind just blows and blows. We don't want to revisit past mistakes, but we do, it seems to me, want to be more aware of the reality that when we, say, give priests the freedom to make the liturgy what they want of it...they will. When we present children with a smorgasboard and say, "Well, it's up to you to find what's most meaningful..." they will. And it's probably not going to be Matthew 25. It's probably going to be PS3.
It's such a knotty dynamic, because all of those spiritual masters I quoted earlier would tell us, over and over again, through their words and their personal witness, that life with God - faith - is a freely spoken "yes" to the gracious invitation of God to rest in his embrace. It is not manipulated or forced or memorized.
But in this world, on this earth, we are not immediately able to say that "yes." We live in a complex, confusing world in which darkness calls us, as well. In which darkness would like us to be confused and stay that way and to not know, to never know, Who really made us, Who really calls us, and Who really gives us peace and joy.
In that context, I am thinking more and more that since things go haywire, and that darkness within and without is so pervasive, that it just makes sense - and is not a matter of "liberal" or "conservative" to let the Church be the place where things are clearly stated, and where worship is structured so the temptations of the egos that run it are not given any room to be served - we are free to take it all or leave it - but at least we will know where we stand.
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"The more I study history, the more I am convinced that the story of humanity is not so much progress but a succession of human screw-ups with different technologies, that's all."
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That is exactly what it is.
Three things lead to this: One is man's pride; the second is man's selfishness; and the third is Satan.
The whole Old Testament is a testimony to how man makes things go wrong when he falls away from God. And the Prophets are the ones who realize that and who say so.
The only difference is this: - today - the scope and reach of evil has grown tremendously - through technology. When a few evilly-infected men can murder literally millions - or when a new scientific discovery (chimeras! clones!) can alter the future in an immensely evil way - watch out.
The truth is - we will have vastly more evil to deal with than did our forebears. We should start to gird ourselves for what is coming - it ain't gonna be pretty.
James
Posted by: James at Feb 16, 2007 3:16:22 PM
Amy, this is brilliant! Thank you so much for your insights.
I'm strangely encouraged.
Posted by: Kathleen Lundquist at Feb 16, 2007 3:38:09 PM
I know there are some physicists around here... Doesn't this sound a little like "Amy's Second Law of Thermodynamics?" People are in the entropy-maximizing business, too!
Posted by: J. Christian at Feb 16, 2007 7:25:13 PM
A great post!
Amy seems to be hitting at the unpleasant human reality that in our mortal realm, the forces of the devil, the flesh and the world will never stop prowling like a lion – that the war will know no end until the Prince of Peace himself comes again.
Every just kingdom will fall, and every evil empire will meet the same end. Every victory will one day come apart into defeat, and every defeat will eventually, by the mercy and mystery of God, be transformed into a victory. All the good things in life will fade and all the horrors will pass. Day chases night and night chases day, ad infinitum. All things are in flux and all things end.
There are only two conclusions to be drawn from this. One, that no conclusions can be drawn; that chaos is the rule; that life offers us nothing to hope in, to have faith, to give our love to. Then there is the other conclusion: that there is something that transcends the order of chaos that we see; something above it, beyond it; something around which everything, consciously or not, orbits in a scheme and pattern so great that we could not possibly comprehend it.
My guess is few people live either of those, but that most live both – and both weakly. They believe enough is Christ to have an anchor in dark times and the salve the ache in their heart for God, and enough in chaos to despair and cling foolishly to the belief that their life is the center of it all and the only thing worth salvaging.
A wise teacher taught me in college about the nature of the Church, explaining it as the institution both human (so as to have us as her members) and divine (so as to protect, without fail, the Deposit of Faith). The Church faithfully guards the answers that, despite our haywire nature, we all seek: who we are, what the nature of the universe is and who made us. Jesus Christ is the answer to the chaos, and the Church is his means of showing to us that while everything goes haywire, while every institution becomes corrupt or broken, while every message eventually scatters loosely into static and void and looses its integrity, that there is one thing, AT LEAST one thing, that doesn’t fail us.
And, as Amy said, to the degree that we avail ourselves of that one thing, things will turn out well for us. Not that by doing so we are protected from the lashing arms of chaos and terror and pain, but that in all the places that matter, those arms cannot harm us.
Posted by: Brandon A. Evans at Feb 16, 2007 7:26:36 PM
I love these "theory of everything" type posts. The current allergy to rote memorization reminds me of something I recently read in Truth and Tolerance by the Holy Father:
"Anyone reflecting on these views will almost inevitably feel reminded of a very profound passage from Plato's Phaedrus. Socrates is telling Phaedrus a story he had from the ancients who knew about truth. Thoth, the 'father of letters' and the 'god of time' once came to the Egyptian king Thutmose of Thebes. He taught this ruler about various arts he had invented and especially about the art of writing that he had thought up. In praise of his invention, he said to the king: 'This knowledge, O King, will make the Egyptians more wise and better able to remember things; for it has been invented as an aide to memory as well as wisdom.' But the king was not impressed. On the contrary, he foresaw as the result of the art of writing that:
'This will bring forgetfulness into men's souls...through the neglect of remembering, in that by trusting in writing they will draw remembrance from without...and not from within, from their own selves. You have not, therefore, invented a means of remembering but of recording, and you pass on to your pupils only the appearance of wisdom, not the thing itself. For they are a people who hear much without learning anything and will therefore think themselves very knowledgeable, since in general they are ignorant, and they are people who are difficult to deal with, in that they are apparently wise but not truly so.'"
To quote the Talking Heads, same as it ever was.
Posted by: TSO at Feb 16, 2007 7:28:17 PM
It will never be known what acts of cowardice have been motivated by the fear of not looking sufficiently progressive.
In George Weigel's The Courage to be Catholic, he has a subhed "On Not Appearing 'Conservative'" in his chapter, "Why Bishops Failed." His thesis: "many U.S. bishops, feeling stuck in politically and culturally uncomfortable company on the pro-life and women's ordination issues, were eager to look 'liberal' on as many other issues as possible." Which is (one reason) why so many bishops gave a pass on buggering priests -- so they wouldn't appear to be "homophobic."
Posted by: PMcGrath at Feb 16, 2007 8:16:13 PM
'In the cultural chaos of the 60's and 70's...things went haywire.' I used to think this way, but I am increasingly coming to think that it was more the chaos in the Church that produced the chaos in society, rather than vice versa. You remark 'When you examine the various currents leading up to Vatican II, at least in this country - the lay movements that were engaged in gentle critiquing and tweaking of various spiritual practices and assumptions, what they were all about ... was not making it all easier and less meaningful, but making it more meaningful. In digging deeper. The sense was that some accretions and habits needed to go, but no one expected they would be replaced with a free-for-all and an undefined, do-your-best spirituality untethered from anything specifically Catholic.' This isn't the state of affairs described by Pius XII in his encyclical on the liturgy 'Mediator Dei', in 1947. In that encyclical, he specifically condemns most of the liturgical attitudes and approaches that took over the Church after Vatican II. These ideas must therefore have been around before the chaos of the 60's and 70's. What seems to have happened is that the partisans of these approaches lay low, and then convinced people that the Second Vatican Council endorsed just the positions that Mediator Dei had condemned. (How they did this is a mystery that needs explanation (the same sort of thing happened with other issues, such as scriptural interpretation, true vs. false ecumenism, the sacraments, the nature of the church, and other central Catholic doctrines). As a result, the hierarchy of the Church destroyed her liturgy, devotion, and catechesis. The turmoil in Western society (which largely began after the turmoil in the church began; the council ended in 1965, and real societal change didn't get going until the late 1960s) was to a great extent a result of the Church's autodestruction, not a cause of it.
Here are (quite a few) extracts from the encyclical, to back up this claim about when the idea of a free-for-all began to be popular;
There he says 'You are of course familiar with the fact, Venerable Brethren, that a remarkably widespread revival of scholarly interest in the sacred liturgy took place towards the end of the last century and has continued through the early years of this one ... while We derive no little satisfaction from the wholesome results of the movement just described, duty obliges Us to give serious attention to this "revival" as it is advocated in some quarters, and to take proper steps to preserve it at the outset from excess or outright perversion ... We observe with considerable anxiety and some misgiving, that elsewhere certain enthusiasts, over-eager in their search for novelty, are straying beyond the path of sound doctrine and prudence. Not seldom, in fact, they interlard their plans and hopes for a revival of the sacred liturgy with principles which compromise this holiest of causes in theory or practice, and sometimes even taint it with errors touching Catholic faith and ascetical doctrine.' Errors he condemn include;
'From these profound considerations some are led to conclude that all Christian piety must be centered in the mystery of the Mystical Body of Christ, with no regard for what is "personal" or "subjective, as they would have it. As a result they feel that all other religious exercises not directly connected with the sacred liturgy, and performed outside public worship should be omitted.
30. But though the principles set forth above are excellent, it must be plain to everyone that the conclusions drawn from them respecting two sorts of piety are false, insidious and quite pernicious.'
'Only to the apostles, and thenceforth to those on whom their successors have imposed hands, is granted the power of the priesthood, in virtue of which they represent the person of Jesus Christ before their people, acting at the same time as representatives of their people before God. This priesthood is not transmitted by heredity or human descent. It does not emanate from the Christian community. It is not a delegation from the people. Prior to acting as representative of the community before the throne of God, the priest is the ambassador of the divine Redeemer.'
'The liturgy of the early ages is most certainly worthy of all veneration. But ancient usage must not be esteemed more suitable and proper, either in its own right or in its significance for later times and new situations, on the simple ground that it carries the savor and aroma of antiquity. The more recent liturgical rites likewise deserve reverence and respect ... it is neither wise nor laudable to reduce everything to antiquity by every possible device. Thus, to cite some instances, one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings ... This way of acting bids fair to revive the exaggerated and senseless antiquarianism to which the illegal Council of Pistoia gave rise.' [The council of Pistoia, towards the end of the eighteenth century, proposed a lot of measures that were eventually implemented or attmepted to be implemented by the believers in the 'spirit of Vatican II'.]
'The fact, however, that the faithful participate in the eucharistic sacrifice does not mean that they also are endowed with priestly power. It is very necessary that you make this quite clear to your flocks.
83. For there are today, Venerable Brethren, those who, approximating to errors long since condemned[82] teach that in the New Testament by the word "priesthood" is meant only that priesthood which applies to all who have been baptized; and hold that the command by which Christ gave power to His apostles at the Last Supper to do what He Himself had done, applies directly to the entire Christian Church, and that thence, and thence only, arises the hierarchical priesthood. Hence they assert that the people are possessed of a true priestly power, while the priest only acts in virtue of an office committed to him by the community. Wherefore, they look on the eucharistic sacrifice as a "concelebration," in the literal meaning of that term, and consider it more fitting that priests should "concelebrate" with the people present than that they should offer the sacrifice privately when the people are absent.'
'it is perfectly clear how much modern writers are wanting in the genuine and true liturgical spirit who, deceived by the illusion of a higher mysticism, dare to assert that attention should be paid not to the historic Christ but to a "pneumatic" or glorified Christ. They do not hesitate to assert that a change has taken place in the piety of the faithful by dethroning, as it were, Christ from His position; since they say that the glorified Christ, who liveth and reigneth forever and sitteth at the right hand of the Father, has been overshadowed and in His place has been substituted that Christ who lived on earth. For this reason, some have gone so far as to want to remove from the churches images of the divine Redeemer suffering on the cross.'
'do not allow - as some do, who are deceived under the pretext of restoring the liturgy or who idly claim that only liturgical rites are of any real value and dignity - that churches be closed during the hours not appointed for public functions, as has already happened in some places: where the adoration of the august sacrament and visits to our Lord in the tabernacles are neglected; where confession of devotion is discouraged; and devotion to the Virgin Mother of God, a sign of "predestination" according to the opinion of holy men, is so neglected, especially among the young, as to fade away and gradually vanish. Such conduct most harmful to Christian piety is like poisonous fruit, growing on the infected branches of a healthy tree, which must be cut off...'
'There are, besides, other exercises of piety which, although not strictly belonging to the sacred liturgy, are, nevertheless, of special import and dignity, and may be considered in a certain way to be an addition to the liturgical cult; they have been approved and praised over and over again by the Apostolic See and by the bishops. Among these are the prayers usually said during the month of May in honor of the Blessed Virgin Mother of God, or during the month of June to the most Sacred Heart of Jesus: also novenas and triduums, stations of the cross and other similar practices.
183. These devotions make us partakers in a salutary manner of the liturgical cult ...
184. Hence, he would do something very wrong and dangerous who would dare to take on himself to reform all these exercises of piety and reduce them completely to the methods and norms of liturgical rites.'
Posted by: John L at Feb 16, 2007 8:31:38 PM
By defintion a theory of everything has to be a theory of nothing. You do not dissapoint. What canard,redherring, straw man, stereotype of the post Vatican II Church and the 60's and 70's did you not throw into the mix. Was there a time when the Church "spoke clearly" and liturgy was devoid of ego? You never saw Cardinal Spellman, among others, celebrate the so-called Tridentine Mass. Now there was ego and pomp. You are wallowing in a nostalgia for somethign you never knew; the pre-Vatican II Churhc was not a bed of roses. If what you wrote is representative of "those others" no wonder anyone would avoid spending time with them. A dour lot they are. Despite your self-designation as Catholic you have all the deep pessimism of a good Protestant. You must be a convert.
Posted by: EH at Feb 16, 2007 9:04:43 PM
EH:
Learn to read:
Everything goes haywire. It even goes haywire when all of that stuff I outlined above is actually happening. It just goes haywire in a different direction. So, for example, a Catholic environment that emphasizes rote memorization of doctrinal summaries runs the risk of producing adherents who are living on just that level. A culture in which the liturgical emphasis is on things being done just so under the pain of mortal sin runs the risk of burying the spirit under the proper mechanics. A system that emphasizes authority runs the risk of becoming, well, authoritarian. Etc. It's all happened, more times that we can count. And then the reform movements blaze through to try to correct things. Multiply examples as needed.
Posted by: Edie at Feb 16, 2007 9:16:51 PM
Edie:
You need to read the whole thing:
In that context, I am thinking more and more that since things go haywire, and that darkness within and without is so pervasive, that it just makes sense - and is not a matter of "liberal" or "conservative" to let the Church be the place where things are clearly stated, and where worship is structured so the temptations of the egos that run it are not given any room to be served - we are free to take it all or leave it - but at least we will know where we stand.
Where do we stand? Much ado about nothing!
Posted by: EH at Feb 16, 2007 9:38:38 PM
The "everything will eventually go haywire" theorem should lead us to a greater sense of humility in our daily lives of faith.
Because while we may be confident that the Church to which we belong has been entrusted with the fullness of truth, we should always be aware that our own individual efforts to be faithful to that truth (which is ultimately Jesus Christ himself) in our every thought, word and deed will fall short.
All our high hopes, to one degree or another, will be dashed. The execution of our grand plans will, in Amy's words, go haywire.
Reading this post reminded me of Tolkien's concise description of life on this earth, a desciption embodied well in The Lord of the Rings: that it is one long defeat.
Now he wasn't being defeatist in making such an appraisal and we needn't be defeatist in subscribing to it ourselves.
Instead, in acknowledging this we have the chance to set our eyes toward our true goal: the fullness of the kingdom in heaven. We don't have a lasting city here.
And while we are called to cooperate with grace as much as we can here and now--and having a Church where "we know where we stand" is surely a God-given tool to help us in that cooperation--we can never forget that even our best efforts at this cooperation won't bring about the fullness of the kingdom here.
Hopefully having such a humble perspective will not only help us be more realistic in our own day-to-day life of faith (and thus it may give us a better chance at real progress) but it may also aid us in our lived relationship with other members of the faithful, who, as Amy pointed out so aptly at the start of this post, are often quick nowadays (at least in the West) to slap a label on each other.
Posted by: Sean Gallagher at Feb 16, 2007 9:49:33 PM
I doubt if anyone can ever explain the Faith or loss of it by critiquing any particular culture. It's rather all explained in the parables - esp. the Sower and the Seed. What does one then expect then? Throughout scripture we constantly see the challenge to the "catechized" flock, the disobedience, the chastisement, and the remaining remnant that is worthy to rebuild, carrying more than their share in order to save others and the world. We are now in the thick of an age of disobedience but are promised (there always seems to be a promise) an age, a new era, to come, of obedience. In that there is hope, but also a cost to get there. How can anyone forget the great challenge by satan for this century? And the solution offered throughout the century by the Woman. It's that usual feeling by most of human nature that there will always be time to convert ... and so the solution does not get put into place and the fruits are less than they should or could be. And, even so, we have been given, just for such a time, a period of Faustina's prophesied Mercy - before the justice comes. No matter the chaos, that is still available, at least for now.
Posted by: chris K at Feb 16, 2007 11:24:44 PM
As from the Psalms:
"Unless the Lord build the house, he who labors to build it labors in vain."
That really summarizes all of mankind's futile attempts to build a utopia without God.
James
Posted by: James at Feb 17, 2007 10:11:45 AM
There's a recent well-received book, Fooled by Randomness, by N. N. Taleb, that discusses what he calls the Black Swan -- However seldom, things will go haywire, and what investors call "beta" safeguards need to be installed in advance. He suggests it's a kind of widespread narcissistic superstition to think we will be so "lucky" that it won't threaten us and ours.
Posted by: dilys at Feb 17, 2007 10:39:00 AM
You are wallowing in a nostalgia for somethign you never knew; the pre-Vatican II Churhc was not a bed of roses.
Yep, EH. That's what I got out of Amy's post. The Church before Vatican II was perfect; Original Sin is a late comer, having only been experienced by the faithful since 1965.
Posted by: Rich Leonardi at Feb 17, 2007 11:02:57 AM
Amy great post! You have great insight
"Everything goes haywire" =
chaos theory (?)
But definitely is =
original sin!
I would make only one 'correction'. All of this is not due to 'human nature' [although we ARE limited creatures] but instead to what we would call 'the human condition'.
The 'human condition' is what and how we experience our own and others 'humanity' in the present. It is bounded by what we call 'original sin'. It is an existence that eventually will go haywire and become a tragedy. It is bounded by 'death'. Those stories of Genesis 3-11 all reveal various dimensions of this 'state of existence'. Genesis 11 especially, the story of the Tower of Babel, perhaps best expresses what your 'principle' is attempting to say, Amy. It is the proverbial "the best laid plans of man......" It is the story of any community or grouping of human beings attempting to 'make a name for themselves' or even 'build a city or civilization' without God [as the Foundation nor His help] It also shows how subtle it can be though. One automatically thinks of some group or civilization that grew so proud etc but it can even happen to us in the Church-at the familial, parish, diocesan, regional level [the Holy Spirit prevents the whole Universal Church from going 'off the tracks']
Matthew [14.22-33] has a fascinating story. It is the familiar story of Jesus walking on the water of the Sea of Galilee, but Matthew tells us of the second part of that story-which concerns Peter. We know the story. Peter says 'if it is you, call me out of the boat' and the Lord does. Peter gets out, begins walking on the water toward Jesus. But as Matthew tells us, "When he [Peter] saw the wind, he was afraid and beginning to sink he cried out, "Lord save me" " Matthew continues the story, telling us that Jesus immediately put out his hand, caught Peter, then said, "O you of little faith, why did you doubt?"
In the Church, it is so easy to look around, put our eyes on some other goal, or when feeling some 'wind in the face' to go into automatic panic. The truth is---left to ourselves-like the disciples in the boat experiencing the storm-things will go haywire-it is not a mere chance but a reality! Jesus calls us to follow Him even into the storms and even onto the waters-but to keep our eyes on Jesus [as Hebrews teaches us] If we do not keep our eyes on Jesus, focusing on something else---even a church-related thing--well we know what happens. Being in mission with Jesus means to keep our eyes on Him and His presence as we fulfill the mission. The Lord is calling us to ever deeper and greater faith, hope and love
Posted by: Father Elijah at Feb 17, 2007 11:29:58 AM
We each see different aspects of Scripture in Amy's theory. I see the first few chapters of the Letter to the Romans and I Corinthians 6 with smatterings of John 1.
That so much Scripture is reflected in the brief theory reflects well on it.
Posted by: Gregg the obscure at Feb 17, 2007 1:50:50 PM
...The ideological divisions within Western Catholicism that stop so many other conversations in their tracks and, more importantly, drain the evangelical spirit from Catholicism as we all look inward and at each other.
Exactly. The very thing that most troubles me in this Catholic world since I entered it, the ease with which the tomfoolery of the evil one has distracted us from our real task, and caused us to focus on all the wrong things.
Posted by: Aimee Milburn at Feb 17, 2007 1:58:19 PM
Amy, as always, thanks for journaling out loud for us! It's an amazing to me how open you are to your audience and it's one of the reasons I keep coming back here...
But.
In all my three years of reading your marvelous posts, this one has me worried.
Why?
Because you seem to now believe that certain things in the Church have gone ro did go "haywire." Huh? I don't even know what that word means in the context of the Church.
I think you need to go outside and enjoy the lovely snow today. I am going to say this post happened because you're suffering from Indiana cabin fever.
And I will pray that you give us further clarification about what went "haywire" next week when the weather warms...
Rose-colored glasses reader...
Posted by: Brigid at Feb 17, 2007 3:13:09 PM
"Everything will eventually go haywire.
Therefore, it is safest to have deeply-rooted, concrete, content-rich, standards and reference points expressive of tradition as our framework in order to keep us even within shouting distance of the original vision, aka The Truth."
I'm new to your sight, (was checking out Loyola Classics) and not much of a scholar after 18 years of teaching mostly 6th grade and down, but you struck a cord.
I've ended up editing a tiny Catholic homeschool newsletter in our area. The group formed when local Catholic schools were not teaching the faith. I was homeschooling for other reasons but enjoyed our monthly gatherings.
The priest allowed those who wished to use the communion rail for the 2 years we had him. One family that went to a Tridentine Mass became a regular for a year. Suddenly many Catholics assumed the group was all judgemental, closed. It couldn't have been further from the Truth. Our newsletter announced when the Tri. Mass was as well as the Charasmatic. We listed priests in need of prayer that included 'dissenters', the accused, and anyone who had ever let us go to Mass as a group at their Parish. We had converts, cradle Catholics, Women in veils sittting next to her best friend in jeans. But these horrible labels we've allowed Satan to use to split our church were even affecting our little corner of the world.
I want to treasure the Eucharist so much that I can't leave Mass without kneeling in Adoration, can't help dressing my best and teaching my little ones 'My Lord and My God". But I also want to hear the Spirit lead me to leave quickly when someone needs a kind word.
I think Amy is on the way to a path for unity for the church. Conservatives need to be more visibly welcoming, give people time to grow, read a wider variety of authors.
Liberals need to notice that they aren't the only ones doing social justice, accept that God has called others to an astectic prayer life and read a wider variety of authors.
Or maybe we should stick with the Scriptures, Saints and Catechism, after all reading someones interpretation instead of the real thing is like ordering prechewed food.
And I like your word 'haywire' -- it allows that the problem is with human understanding of the problem. God may, or may not see an event as a problem, either way He can bring good out of it.....
for those whose trust is in Him.
Posted by: Mary B at Feb 17, 2007 4:57:53 PM
My own is pretty close:
Everything will go haywire, but God's love will not and we often will not or cannot see that.
Posted by: Liam at Feb 17, 2007 7:13:24 PM
"Because you seem to now believe that certain things in the Church have gone ro did go "haywire." Huh? I don't even know what that word means in the context of the Church."
The collapse of the Faith in nations that have been Catholic for over a thousand years, widespread disbelief in the Real Presence among those who do bother to show up for the Mass, Catholics aborting precious gifts from God and voting for politicians pledged to uphold this as a constitutional "right", blasphemy of Christ and His Mother being considered de rigeur at many "Catholic" colleges, vocations going through the floor, etc. If these are not signs of things going haywire within the Church in the past four decades, I'll trade in my Rosary for a set of worry beads.
Posted by: Donald R. McClarey at Feb 17, 2007 7:21:54 PM
Rich Leonardi pay attention this is going to be subtle!
Here is the problem with this post, and it begins with the Catholic blogging maven herself. Notice Mary B's take on it all:
Conservatives need to be more visibly welcoming, give people time to grow, read a wider variety of authors.
Liberals need to notice that they aren't the only ones doing social justice, accept that God has called others to an astectic prayer life and read a wider variety of authors..
The welcoming ones are usually those in the ascendency, Why should conservatives think they are? In other words this is nothing but blatant condescension. Notice, too, the qualifier that Mary brings to liberals, i.e that others are called to an astetic [sic] prayer life and read a wider variety of authors. First, it is simply not true, in fact concservatives read a much narrower range of authors, usually those who confirm thier prejudices. Secondly, how arrogant is this remark? If only liberals would read the right authors we could all agree. Well, liberals do read these conservative authors and find them wanting. How do you expect an exchange of ideas when the playing field is defined in such a way? Ms. Welborn"s post shares that point of view, and so all the pretended openness to truth is seen for what it is: empty. The nothing post encourages the same stereotypes that the post ostensibly wishes to deconstruct. Ms. Welborn and her defenders are equally disingenuous. That was my original point. Caricature does not encourage conversation.
Posted by: EH at Feb 17, 2007 7:40:30 PM
Poor Pius 12. Had he only lived to see that the real reason we close churches after the day's Masses is to keep the robbers and the vandals out.
I wonder what the pre V2 Church would have become by now even without V2. For all we really know the much decried changes may have headed off a revolution which would make the present conservative discontents absurd. Despite the sillinesses, V2 may have been the God ordained safety valve.
And the gloom and the doom and oh woe is us. I remember sitting in the third or fourth grade in my Catholic school after WW2 as the Iron Curtain descended. How the nuns went on and on to little kids about how we were all doomed unless the unknown number of rosaries were prayed and that would never happen because of original sin and the nuclear war was almost upon us and only very Catholic Ireland would be spared! If I had listened to them I would not have studied nor gone to college nor acquired a profession nor become a useful person in any respect.
I believed even before V2 that Christ had really won and my job was to be a good soldier in the mopping up operation.
Posted by: Caroline at Feb 17, 2007 7:52:23 PM
... I am thinking more and more that since things go haywire, and that darkness within and without is so pervasive, that it just makes sense - and is not a matter of "liberal" or "conservative" to let the Church be the place where things are clearly stated, and where worship is structured so the temptations of the egos that run it are not given any room to be served - we are free to take it all or leave it - but at least we will know where we stand.
Amy, this reminds me of a couple of chapters in Chesterton's "Orthodoxy," where he talks about the Christian faith having ongoing tensions between types of people like ascetics and warriors -- both of whom are Christian but who essentially balance each other and keep the faith from careening into too much of one approach or the other.
Not saying your overall point was that, just this part seemed a bit Chestertonian.
Great post.
Mark in AA
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