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March 24, 2007

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Henry C. Luthin

The movements are the hope of the Church. May Don Giussani intercede for us.

Father Elijah

I have found the several books of C & L's founder, Msgr. Giussani a great source of Catholic wisdom and spirituality.

I am not a member, at least in any formal way of Communion and Liberation, so my following observation might not be completely correct, but from what I can tell, C & L draws one into the Mystery of Christ and the Church in the world of today, in a way which does not really make any real distinguishing 'identity' distinct from being Catholic.

To explain my comment a bit-other renewal groups even while attempting to call all to holiness and in their specific vocation, seem to bear the resemblance of budding religious orders [even if this is not their intention or mission], while C & L from what I can tell does not. In fact I would call it a deepening of the very core of Catholic identity and spirituality itself.

Hmm I am still not sure if I have expressed myself clearly, but would be glad to hear clarifications

Fred

Fr. Elijah,

The merit of any charism in the Church is not the number of adherents, but the degree to which that charism radiates throughout the Church and the world. The Benedictine charism, for example, made Europe into a more hospitable place: a place of hostels and hospitals. The stations of the cross and the rosary are not mere Franciscan or Dominican oddities, but rightly belong to the whole Church.

St. Francis flourished where the Waldesians floundered in large measure due to his faithfulness to the bishops and the pope - a faithfulness that helps every charism remain catholic (a sign pointing toward totality) and not a mere oddity.

Fred

Larry

Fr. Elijah

I think there have been a religious order of priests as well as an order of sisters which have been formed from Communion and liberation.

http://www.fraternityofsaintcharles.org/


As for the charism of the group, from what i hear, its Opus Dei without all the penances. (Don't know how true that is)

Ave Maria

I was visiting a man at the hospital this morning who said how he sometimes watches 'that nun' (Mother Angelica) on TV but he also likes Joel Osteen who fills a mega church. I asked him if he knew how many go to hear the holy Father every week at his Angeles address--tens of thousands! The Holy Father is the biggest drawing evangelist in the world!

Or to go to Lourdes and be among 50,000 in a rosary procession which is so incredible.

It is so wonderful to be Catholic and be a part of a universal church.

Clare Krishan

C&L's Traces magazine seems to fit the paradigm of going out into the "unchurched" world and leaving traces for others to follow that will lead them to "ci-e-el." Courage is the virtue required by love, meet the sinner where they're at and indicate (like the turn signal of an automobile) a way out of the morass.

I'm not a subscriber, I read on-line (especially Msgr. Lorenzo Albacete, a former scientist like myself). Here's a sample of their "charism" - an editorial on Faith and Nihilism:
       “Hell...is already here. There are two ways not to suffer it. The first is easy for many: accept hell and become part of it to the point that you no longer see it. The second is risky and demands constant attention and learning: seek and be able to recognize who and what, in the midst of hell, is not hell, and make it last, and give it room. Give room to what, if every thing, every face, even our dearest relationships, seem to lack the strength and substance to conquer hell? Something exceptional is needed to breathe and live. Christ...".

Like Benedict, Pentecost features big in Guissani's spirituality, fulfilling Christ's eternal possession of all earthly things established at his Ascension to sit at the right hand of the Father, see In the depth of things. There is much here to the complement Eastern modes of spirituality, particularly where the two encounter each other in Europe, encouraging a renewal of the Great Commission of Acts 1.

Alex Vitus

"As for the charism of the group, from what i hear, its Opus Dei without all the penances. (Don't know how true that is"

Larry,
I think that comes from Msgr. Albacete saying CL is Opus Dei for sinners. Then there is the other quote from him I heard in San Diego, which alas I don't think I can repeat here
:)
Cheers.

Clare Krishan

Wee selection of Guissani's pearls of wisdom over at 30days

Fred

The ever-quotable Msgr. Albacete once said that we don't need hairshirts - we have each other.

Alex Vitus

"identified as a medieval piece emanating from Assisi - lots of folks in the crowd were joining in. Is it some sort of anthem for CL?)"
From my friend Salvatore:
the piece is called Inno delle scolte di Assisi. I can send the text in Italian if you want.

Sherry Weddell

Yes, JACK has promised a full report on Intentional Disciples when he returns.

If he doesn't,we haf ways of making him talk . . .

Kathleen Lundquist

I just watched the gathering on EWTN. What a wonder.

I've been part of a CL School of Community for about a year now, and it's been a great thing. The charism I sense, which attracts me, is the desire to be engaged with culture and humanity while remaining in the heart of Christ and the Church.

One of the Fr. Guissani quotes at the gathering went something like: "There is no separation between the lived experience of humanity and the encounter with Christ, God with us."

And I like Alex's quote of Msgr. Albacete: "Opus Dei for sinners". That's about right for me. ;^)

Elena

I read your post yesterday in which you said that the C&L event would be telecast. Thanks so much for the tip. The music truly was wonderful. I particularly liked one selection. It may have been the last one before EWTN cut away at the end. I think it is the same as the musical selection accompanying this slideshow.

http://dioceseofknoxville.org/papalhonors/

I also am enjoying a link you posted of a live camera view of St. Peter's that is evidently on almost all the time.

Brigid

My favorite C&L "place" online: GodSpy.com!

JACK

Thanks, Amy. I will have full report up at Integrity and Intentional Disciples. I'm stuck in Paris due to flight connection problems, so it will have to be tomorrow before I can start in earnest.

I've got less pictures of the audience itself compared to the overall trip -- if you can call any subset of 800 pictures a "little" -- but that was due to how much it was raining! It was amazing how it poured during the audience and then cleared up (for a time afterwards). But as I'm sure the TV showed, people were well prepared.

I can confirm how packed it was. The entire square was filled and there were many more trying to figure out why they couldn't get to St. Peter's that afternoon. So however many people can pack the square is easily how many people there were. I got there at 10 and it took me 45 minutes to just make my way to my seat near the statue of St. Paul.

Also, Amy, I've got a copy of the program, so if you were curious what any of the other songs were, I can confirm it for you and the lyrics.

JACK

Oh, and Fr. Elijah, I think your observation, as far as CL goes, is apt. I've often referred to the charism as having an "accent", which is precisely to emphasize that it doesn't propose anything different than what the universal Church does, but just does so with a different style and touch. That's not to try to downplay some of the distinctive aspects of CL's charism, but as Fred was mentioning, I think it is one that is most vibrant in precisely the dimension of how it is capable of being a help to the whole Church. There are Dominicans, Benedictines, Carmelites, CCR folks, etc. who have drawn from CL's charism and without any worry of conflict with their own because precisely the fact that CL proposes Christ and His Church as the road.

Jim Cork

I was really moved by the audience, which Franklin taped and brought over on Saturday afternoon. The joy and affection on Fr. Carron's face as he addresses the Holy Father is just amazing. Even more than that, though, I was surprised to see the woman who introduced me to CL (in Japan) sitting in the front row, a few seats from Monsignor Albacete. What a small world. Anyway, the audience can now be viewed here.

Fred

The event is available "on demand":
Video in Italian, with no commentary

Thanks to Fontana Vivace!

Fred

JACK

Jim,

When they introduced her to the pope (I don't know if EWTN broadcast that portion), I thought of you! I think she was right after Monsignor Albacete.

Marc

A beautiful event - most inspiring.

I was captured by the variety of lovely music,including chorals and Latin chants.

Well done. They are doing something right within the Church laity.

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