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March 13, 2007

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Marc

Reuters is perhaps picking up on the Italian press which headlined S.C. in the context of the Pope's call for 'Eucharistic consistency' i.e. Catholic politicians ought to make laws not opposed to Catholic faith. Italy is embroiled with the question of legalising so-called civil unions.

Dan Crawford

Except in the case of celebrations of the Mass that are scheduled by the ecclesiastical authorities to take place in the language of the people, Priests are always and everywhere permitted to celebrate Mass in Latin.

So does this mean that if a Mass is not specifically "scheduled by the ecclesiastical authorities" (and who might this refer do - ordinaries, pastors?)"to take place in the language of the people", any priest has carte blanche to celebrate in Latin. And does this assume that celebrating in the language spoken by the people now requires a kind of special indult? So if my local priest decides to just publish a schedule of Masses without specifically designating them as "English" Masses, he can celebrate them in Latin? Please say it ain't so.

F C Bauerschmidt

If I didn't know better, I'd think the Reuter's headline was a spoof.

Eric

Priests are always and everywhere permitted to celebrate Mass in Latin.

Dan, this is nothing new. Any priest can celebrate the new rite in Latin any time -- the Latin text is right there in the Sacramentary. The question is whether there is a desire on the part of the parish to have Mass celebrated in Latin or any other language other than the predominate language of the parish. This would require sufficient demand to ensure attendance equivalent to the other scheduled Masses, training the people to respond and sing in Latin and an additional musical repertoire. If all that is present, no additional permission is required -- it's up to the pastor.

Bill Q

I'm a little confused -- is your sigh in response to the Reuters column just a reaction to the fact that the Church's position is nothing new? At the very least, I grateful that the pope is reminding everyone that this isn't a "gray area."

amy

Bill:

In a lengthy, theologically rich document, Reuters goes searching for and leaves no stone unturned in finding a political angle to mention.

Which isn't even *directly* mentioned in the document (see para 83).

PMcGrath

Dear Amy:

Yes, we have the GIRM.

Yes, we have Redemptoris Sacramentum.

Has this made a tinker's damm of difference? No!. Why not? Because Rome has not enforced them!

C'mon, we've all seen A Man For All Seasons. And we all remember that qui tacet consentire -- silence gives consent.

By its silence, by taking no action against MahonyFest, Rome shows that it approves of it.

By taking no action against the music of Haugen & Haas and their ilk, Rome shows that it approves of it.

I could go on and on, but ... you get the point.

Sometimes you have to take a whip of cords into the marketplace. With this document, Rome is refusing even that.

ohevin

PMcGrath,

Enlightened soul that you are, your post says it all!.

Peace to all

Maureen

Considering that a good many people have proved able to ignore both natural consequences and the cold wet troutsmack of reality, I don't really see how anything short of a Swiss Guard Death Squad would work. Heck, if the Pope fired bishops these days, they might well refuse to go. Or sue the Vatican. Or run off and start yet another schism.

Maybe things would have been different if something had been done sooner. But it wasn't, and it's a little late for what-ifs.

So it seems that the Church is working like the Internet -- ignore the dead nodes and work around them. Maybe they'll eventually come back up and start working. If they won't, they'll be replaced in the course of normal maintenance. It's a very slow approach, and it's frustrating to us, but it will get the job done eventually.

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