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June 26, 2007
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I read Fr. Richard McBrien's latest column last night, and spent a few minutes with teetering between feelings of "well of course he would say that" and "what is he saying?"
The column is on conversion.
Fr. McBrien writes that in the old days, people became Catholic because they believed in that Catholicism was the true Church of Jesus Christ, but Vatican II took care of all that:
And so the traditional apologetical tactics --- "demonstrating" that Catholicism alone is right, while Protestantism is completely wrong --- were generally abandoned. If Protestants became Catholics in the late 1960s or in the '70s and early '80s, it was mainly for family reasons, or because they intended to marry a Catholic, or because they had grown familiar and spiritually comfortable with Catholic worship.
But durn that pendulum:
In the past two-and-half decades, however, we have seen something of a reversion to the pre-Vatican II approach. Many seeking entrance into the Catholic Church today do so as an act of rejecting their Protestant past and of embracing "the truth" found only in Catholicism.
He proceeds to slam Fr. John McCloskey, formerly of the Catholic Information Center in DC, but not by name - he's " a priest in Washington, D.C., who runs the Catholic Information Center there" - which by the way, he doesn't. And hasn't for a few years - and converts like Robert Novak and Sam Brownback.
It's all rather strange - to hold up joining the Church for family reasons or because they had "grown familiar" - as some sort of ideal and to sneer at conversion because one believes the whole deal is true. The oddness only increases when you consider that the application of the RCIA in this country has been marked since the beginning by an insistence that the contemporary process mimic that of the early church, asking catechumens and candidates to take a great deal of time before initiation. If you were there when all of this was just beginning to hit the national scene in the early 80's, you know that some wistfully held to an ideal of a 3-year preparation period, but most settled for one, and at this point, most of what I've seen around the country indicates that most programs are run, just like everything else, along the lines of the academic school year. I only mention that because the emphasis in RCIA has always been on lots of preparation - but in Fr. McBrien's vision...why would that be important? If there's no there, there, just do the largely meaningless ritual gestures and get on with it?
(I'd rather this not turn into a huge discussion of RCIA programs. There's huge problems there, but one of the things it would behoove all of us to understand is the RCIA is not a catechetical program - it's a series of rites, and it's a series of rites for catechumens - the unbaptized. The catechesis that goes along with that, as well as the process candidates - the baptized - should receive is a separate issue and widely misunderstood, mostly because of the direction the primary purveyors of "the RCIA" went from the beginning, and the misconceptions that were peddled as some sort of Gospel truth.)
And who better equipped to take it on than Carl Olson? Go for it. He argues one particular point - Fr. McBrien's contention that those who convert because of that pesky notion of "truth" have some sort of constant contempt for their former religious backgrounds. Carl is well-equipped to argue that this is not so.
This brought to mind a blog post, over at Intentional Disciples, from Fr. Mike Fones, OP:
I was talking with Fr. Paul, the pastor of Holy Apostles Catholic Church in Colorado Springs, this morning about my surprise, and he had his own observations. He told me that at a clergy meeting not too long ago, he had reported a little about what his parish is doing to reach out to the local community. He said there are 40,000 people living within the parish boundaries, with 2500 families (about 7,000 people) registered. The parish has identified about 1800 inactive Catholics and discovered that 72% of the people living in one zipcode in their boundaries are unchurched. 5700 new residents moved into their parish in the last year.
He told the clergy that as a result of a series of parish meetings during Lent they had decided to hold an open house on the feast of Corpus Christi and had sent postcard invitations to the 5700 new residents. 1500 door hangers inviting people to the parish fall festival will be placed on the homes within the zip code in which 72% of the folks are unchurched.
The parish staff is committed to form the members of its 70+ ministries into intentional disciples (whom Fr. Paul calls "employees of Christ.") They are committed to mobilizing all the registered parishioners to "deploy" them into their neighborhoods, workplaces and families where they can give explicit witness to their faith - even to the point of using words!
Last year the parish welcomed 70+ new Catholics at the Easter Vigil.
The response of some of the clergy?
"Why do you want more parishioners? You already have the largest parish in the diocese?"
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Some Fundamentalists call Catholics "cultural Christians only" and it appears Fr. McBrien would like to join them.
Posted by: TSO at Jun 26, 2007 9:37:29 AM
"Why do you want more parishioners? You already have the largest parish in the diocese?"
Aside from the general cluelessness of that comment, the first thing that comes to my mind is, so start another church in the area.
Posted by: Jon at Jun 26, 2007 9:49:47 AM
I can get on my little soapbox for a bit here and remind folks of two of my favorite canons, cc. 528 and 529, on the duties of a parish priest (pastor) and, through him, of a parish community. The territoriality of a parish is not so much intended to limit Catholics to what parish they can go to, but to ensure that all Catholics - all the baptized, in fact - have a proper pastor and a parish. The Missa pro populo (Mass for the people) that all pastors are obliged to say on Sundays and Holy Days is not offered for the "registered" members of the parish (a concept foreign to the universal law), but for all the baptized who reside within the boundaries of the parish. Fr. Paul in Colorado Springs has obviously read and digested these two canons and is taking his, and his parish's obligation to "seek out and feed" all the sheep of the parish. Good for them!
As to Fr. McBrien's carping, I have to suspect that there's some bitterness there - he's upset that hordes have not been converted by his own bankrupt ideology and so casts things in terms of "good converts" who become Catholic because of things like family and marriage issues and "bad converts" who are convinced of the truths of Catholicism, and so provide ammo to further dismantle the liberal intellectual facade that McBrien and his cronies took thirty years to build.
Posted by: Tim Ferguson at Jun 26, 2007 9:51:27 AM
I think he's complaining that converts who make a full intellectual assent to the Church are insufficiently docile to the ministrations of priests like Fr. McBrien.
I've heard similar complaints aimed at former protestants from a number of pastors over the years. The same also dislike young active orthodox Catholics who are mistakenly and pejoratively labeled "those Steubenville types."
Posted by: Jack Smith at Jun 26, 2007 9:51:45 AM
I came into the Church in 1982. There was no RCIA, only an Inquiry Class (I think it was called) with very little information, no explanation of history, sacraments, truth, etc. Obviously I had already made the decision on my own -- but I felt like I was beating down doors to have anyone explain more of what I had already discerned to be holy and true. Even pre-cana explained birth control precisely as, "You're the Church, you decide." I must say that God provides. At every step of the way, a layman would take me aside and clear up the confusion -- a layman over age 60, usually. (That "pay, pray, and obey" generation knew far more than people give them credit for.)
I'm delighted to see the creative initiatives of some Catholics -- really going to the highways and byways. Grace is everywhere.
Posted by: gsk at Jun 26, 2007 9:54:48 AM
Jeff Miller over at 'The Curt Jester' ran his commentary on Fr. McBrien's column along the lines that there will be a shortage of straw soon because McBrien set up so many men made of the product.
He has a humorous point. Fr. McBrien's column is so one-dimensional, so out of touch with even a nuanced reading of the reality of the Church in America at the present that I truly wonder what is going on in his mind.
Is it a case where he has told his vision of what he would like the Church to be so often that he has convinced himself that it is actually true, whole and entire?
I don't know. But after reading a column like his, I wonder about him and am honestly concerned for him.
Posted by: Sean Gallagher at Jun 26, 2007 10:14:49 AM
Just a background note:
The post that Amy linked to is by Fr. Mike Fones, current Co-Director of the Catherine of Siena. (It's easy to get confused - I've worked with nothing but OP's named Michael since the beginning - but Fr. Michael Sweeney is now President of the Dominican School of Philosophy and Theology in Berkley.)
Holy Apostles is my parish in Colorado Springs and it is most encouraging to routinely hear intentional discipleship and the apostolic call of the laity preached at every Mass. Check out their new website http://www.holyapostlescc.org/
All the staff, including Fr. Paul, have attended our summer seminar, Making Disciples, and they are now implementing the ideal of the parish as a center of evangelization and lay formation in an intentional, very creative, and locally appropriate way. But it is quite a paradigm shift for your standard mountain/high plains cradle Catholic.
Fr. Paul, who is in his late 60's (and has more enthusiasm and energy than the Energizer bunny. I always feel like a slothful underachiever around him),was studying in Rome during the Second Vatican Council and (like any red-blooded seminarian would do at such a moment) managed to finesse his way into the back of one or two sessions. He strives to think with the Church and outside the box at the same time. It's a refreshing combination.
He has been passionate about evangelization as long as I've known him and has asked his bishop to dedicate the remainder of his active priesthood to evangelization and has been given permission to do so.
Posted by: Sherry Weddell at Jun 26, 2007 10:36:16 AM
Is it a case where he has told his vision of what he would like the Church to be so often that he has convinced himself that it is actually true, whole and entire?
I wondered as I read it has he ever talked to a convert or read a conversion story. It is pretty hard to avoid doing such a thing in the church today but he really does not seem to get where they are coming from. It is not like they are keeping it a secret.
You wonder of he just believes the church should die. The idea that you would not welcome a convert who believes Catholicism is right. Before I became Catholic it was clear to me that if my Reformed church did not attract people who thought Reformed theology was right it would die. It depended for it's future on it's teachings being compelling and convincing. It is just basic logic that converts are necessary for the survival of any church. How an intelligent man can completely miss that is beyond me.
Posted by: Randy at Jun 26, 2007 10:54:19 AM
I should make it clear that the ideal I wrote about above of a "parish as a center of evangelization and lay formation" is not the Institute's ideal, but the Church's. We're just trying to help pastoral leaders realize what the Church actually teaches on the subject and work through what it means for their particular community on the ground.
And it isn't like Fr. Paul and the folks Holy Apostles hadn't been wrestling with these issues for years - long before we showed up. We've just tried to contribute what we've learned over the years working with parishes all over the world. They have just taken the basic ideas and run with them in very creative ways.
Posted by: Sherry Weddell at Jun 26, 2007 11:16:27 AM
In Father John Hardon's wonderful tape set on the Blessed Sacrament (which I recommend everyone to listen to), he mentions Fr. McBrien by name and not in a good way. Fr. McBrien has done much damage and shame on the diocesan papers that still run his column.
HE DESERVES TO BE IGNORED!
But if that is not possible, then it is good that he is refuted.
Now, lets see--what is that definition of heretic again?
Posted by: Ave Maria at Jun 26, 2007 11:37:41 AM
And who better equipped to take it on than Carl Olson? Go for it.
Many more are better equpped than I am, but I appreciate the kind words and the link. I agree with Ave Maria—Fr. McBrien does indeed deserve to be ignored. However, I think his views, or variations thereof, are held by a substantial number of Catholics, and so much be addressed from time to time.
Posted by: Carl Olson at Jun 26, 2007 12:02:50 PM
Yes, Carl!
I can't count the number of times nice people have told me to read something by Fr. McBrien to really understand the Catholic Church -- "you know, he teaches at Notre Dame!"
Fr. McBrien needs to be addressed over and over again, and every diocesan paper that carries him should get an annual note from the concerned asking why he's still there.
Posted by: Michael Tinkler at Jun 26, 2007 1:10:12 PM
When I mustered up the courage to speak with someone about joining the Catholic Church in the late 1980's, I was told not to bother. Since I was already Russian Orthodox, I didn't need anything more. When I mentioned the Petrine claims to the good sister with whom I was speaking, she made a snorting noise. I did attempt RCIA and dropped out after several weeks of psychologizing (and after I noticed that all the other people of a similar educational background had also left). I am a Catholic today because I found a priest who would listen to me and helped me complete the formation I needed to make a mature profession of faith. To come into the Church I didn't need "caring and sharing" meetings, I needed education and spiritual formation. After I came into the Church, I found fellowhip and community. But I didn't come for the community. I came for Christ.
Posted by: Mary Jane at Jun 26, 2007 2:26:45 PM
Yikes, Mary Jane. But I'm not surprised. When I become Catholic ten years ago I found there are still remnants of the "silly season" and malcontents such as Father O'Brien who for the life of himself can't understand that there are people who really want to be Catholic, who appreciate the good their Protestant (or other) Christian upbringing gave them but found Catholic Christianity to be the bearer of the fullness of the Apostolic witness.
I'm grateful my diocesan paper dropped him (although I'm beginning to have my doubts about his replacement, Father John Dietzen).
Isn't it about time for Father McBrien to retire? Or can't someone banish him to a monastery?
Posted by: Christine at Jun 26, 2007 2:52:19 PM
Ah, Fr. Dietzen: the Holy Fog Machine of Antioch.
Not a great read, but light years ahead of the exhausted ideological pen droppings of Fr. McBrien.
Posted by: Dale Price at Jun 26, 2007 3:30:59 PM
Where does he get this rubbish about apologists saying Protestantism is "completely wrong"? Every book of conversion stories I know is *thick* with encomiums to the Protestant roots of the author and generally very careful to say something along the lines of "I'm really grateful for all the truths of the faith I learned from my Protestant parents/mentors etc." If you want to hear "They're completely wrong" agitprop, you have to turn to the work of ex-Catholics, who spend all their time trying to show that the Catholic Church has not one, single solitary redeeming feature and that even its good points are wilful and malicious snares, deceptions, etc.
The Grand Old Man of pre-Vatican II apologetics, Chesterton, is much the same as the post V2 Catholic, by the by. He's certainly not afraid to criticize the various Protestantisms when they contradict the Faith and are therefore, 'ow you say, "wrong". But the notion that he thinks the various Protestantisms "completely wrong" is preposterous. They are, for Chesterton, partly right.
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