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June 23, 2007
Who knows...
...if this is true. Cum grano salis, and all that. But here's what the Daily Mail is saying about today's meeting: Lots of "sources say this means" kind of language. But the Pope's miracle crack is worth noting. Put him and Cardinal Zen together..who knows what would happen?
Tony Blair's eagerly awaited meeting with the Pope resulted in discomfort for the Prime Minister when he found himself on the receiving end of a stern lecture over his record in office.
During a 25-minute face-to-face audience in the Pontiff's private apartments, Pope Benedict XVI tackled Mr Blair on the continuing crisis in Iraq and the Middle East.
Italian news agency reports said Pope Benedict also made direct criticism of New Labour laws allowing greater stem cell research on human embryos, easy access to abortion, same-sex marriages, and adoption by gay couples.
Downing Street officials said the issue of gay adoption arose between Mr Blair and senior Vatican figures, not the Pope. But it was nevertheless an unexpected turn of events for Mr Blair, whose visit to the Vatican - his final foreign engagement as Premier - had been widely believed to presage his conversion to Catholicism.
Friction even seemed to emerge as the Pope and Prime Minister appeared in public for the cameras. Mr Blair, joined by his wife Cherie, presented Benedict with a framed set of three antique pictures of Cardinal Newman, who converted in 1845 after more than 20 years in the Church of England clergy and is now a candidate for sainthood.
Mrs Blair said: "I believe you are very familiar with him and he is on the journey to sainthood."
To which the Pope responded: "Yes, yes, although it is taking some time - miracles are hard to come by in Britain."
The gift was seen as a highly significant indication of Mr Blair's wish to convert to the Catholic faith.
After the meeting, the Pope's office issued a strongly worded statement, saying the two men had a 'frank discussion on the international situation, in particular the delicate question of the Middle East conflict'.
The actual wording of the communique contained the Italian phrase 'franco confronto', literally translated as 'frank confrontation' - inflammatory language seen as highly unusual in Rome.
The statement continued: "At the end, after an exchange of opinions on several laws recently passed by Parliament in Britain, he wished the Honourable Anthony Blair best wishes with regard to the fact he is leaving his position as Prime Minister."
It then commended Mr Blair's 'vivid desire to involve himself in particular for peace in the Middle East and for inter-religious dialogue'.
But the statement was seen as indicating the Vatican's continuing unease with the Iraq conflict, and also recent domestic legislation in Britain. In the language of diplomatic communiquÇs, 'frank discussion' is customarily seen as code for an argument.
The statement was all the more surprising because the Vatican always uses carefully controlled language.
Previously, meetings with world leaders including President Bush have been described as 'warm and cordial', despite the Vatican's opposition to many of his policies and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Downing Street later talked in terms of a 'successful meeting'. A spokesman confirmed: "Private discussions included the Middle East."
American Papist has found video confirmation that the Pope did, indeed, say something like that. You can hear him say, "...it is difficult to make miracles in Britain..." on the clip from BBC News.
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Comments
Wow ... good one, Holy Father! BXVI blows me away with his candor and clarity. I hope the Lord keeps him around for a long time -- God bless him and strengthen him in his dealings with great and small!
Posted by: Patricia Gonzalez at Jun 23, 2007 9:02:49 PM
Patricia,
Absolutely. He's not afraid to put it out there! It's a refreshing change from all the diplomatic niceties that have dominated a lot of Vatican discussion hitherto.
Posted by: Cindy at Jun 23, 2007 9:23:58 PM
I'd be very careful taking at face value anything the British media says about Tony Blair. He gave a speech on June 12 that (justifiably) ripped the media, calling it a "feral beast" and they now have it in for him. So you can expect that they will spin their stories to cast him in a negative light.
Posted by: Tim at Jun 23, 2007 9:49:02 PM
Remember this: The British press has it in for Tony Blair after he ripped the media in a speech on June 12. They will spin every story about him in a negative way. So I'd take this report with a grain of salt.
Posted by: Tim at Jun 23, 2007 9:53:23 PM
Hurray for Pope Benedict! Such courage is hard to find. It's so good to see the awesome leadership the Pope provides. God bless him with many more years!!!
Cheers from Canada.
Tony
Posted by: Tony at Jun 23, 2007 10:23:50 PM
The Holy Father is wonderfully outspoken when necessary, but he's no Rambo. "Diplomacy" is a good word. A little more of it and this discussion regarding Iraq might not have been necessary.
Posted by: Kathy at Jun 23, 2007 10:27:17 PM
An interesting meeting that is for sure. Also it is interesting to contrast the Bush meeting with this one
Posted by: JH at Jun 23, 2007 10:48:20 PM
This is my take: the before and after expressions of both Bush and Blair were very telling-both looked very uncomfortable after their meetings. I think Bush got an earful on the plight of Christians in Iraq but the Pope gave him an A for his support of the family and for life. Blair on the other hand, must have received a failing grade on almost everything; no wonder he looked so sheepish. I think the Cardinal was invited into the audience (highly unusual) because Benedict wanted no misunderstanding and no spinning on what he said and what he meant. Benedict knows that the British episcopate might in the end accommodate Blair (after all, this same Cardinal had the 99 Islamic names of Allah chanted in Westminster Cathedral just a few days ago) but Benedict wanted it understood that it would be against his own pastoral judgment as to Blair`s fitness for admission into the Church. Bravo, Papa, but it must be heartbreaking for you, to know and be burdened with so much disloyalty and disobedience in the Church.
Posted by: rose at Jun 23, 2007 11:17:12 PM
Nonsense. I doubt the Pope would be saying anything to discourage Tony Blair from _entering_ the Church. A little bit of pastoral guidance to him and his wife Cherie on what Catholics believe, sure.
But this rumor about Blair, having the opinions he does, planning on entering the Church and the diaconate training program at the first time... yeah, I can see where the Pope might have a few words to say to the Cardinal about _that_, and they might as well be said in the presence of the potential candidate. Being a deacon is a big job which requires a lot of practice in everyday holiness. Bishops don't usually offer clergy jobs right away even to clergy who convert.
So I don't think even Blair's mom would say he's a "proven man" in that sense. Give him some time to settle into the Church, serve as a layman if he likes, and then see where things go.
Posted by: Maureen at Jun 24, 2007 1:34:13 PM
It is hard to believe that a politician of Mr Blair's experience, expected that his government's assault on the independence of the RC church on the adoption issue would have gone unnoticed by the Vatican. I doubt that he expected an easy ride given the forthright statements of Cardinal O'Connor just a few short weeks ago. The media works on a short memory cycle expecting us to forget the recent past and feign surprise at their "news".
Posted by: Ivan at Jun 25, 2007 5:20:08 AM
Minority report: perhaps B16 was making a joke about miracles in Britain. I think he has a sense of humor.
Posted by: scott at Jun 25, 2007 9:12:39 AM
Scott:
I agree he was speaking tongue in cheek. All the same, the remark was a zinger.
Posted by: John Sheridan at Jun 25, 2007 9:42:54 AM
Here's my suggestion: let Michael Novak, George Weigel, and Richard John Neuhaus travel to Rome to receive a similar tongue-lashing from the pope for their continued support of this awful war.
Posted by: Morning's Minion at Jun 25, 2007 11:21:15 AM
What a badass pope Benedict is! I'm really proud of him, once again.
Posted by: Francesca at Jun 25, 2007 11:47:12 AM
Good one. The Brits would appreciate Benedict - they like a quick wit. I personally hope the Pope made it clear that unless Blair had a miracle of conversion and repented, his fitness to enter the Church should be questioned. Or if you will, having been publicly and actively opposed to Church teaching Blair should be advised as to what may be necessary for true conversion, ie. sincere repentance. It is my humble, personal opinion that expecting a pastor to do this kind of counselling is not "Nonsense". But I certainly do not think the Pope would have used the same dismissive tone as the word conveys; he is quite a gentleman.
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