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July 22, 2007
Religion: a Test of Faith
Many are writing about LA Times Religion reporter William Lobdell's column on his loss of faith.
The short version is that Lobdell had a conversion experience in an evangelical setting, got involved in religion reporting, then started attending RCIA (his wife was Catholic) just about the time that the most recent round of clergy sex abuse cases started coming to light. As he covered the stories, he was immersed in the pervasive and absolute denial of any problems, the protection racket afforded so many of these priests by the hierarchy and their brother priests and the rest of the church bureaucracy. Most devastating, in the end, was the role the laity played in enabling this whole thing:
I sought solace in another belief: that a church's heart is in the pews, not the pulpits. Certainly the people who were reading my stories would recoil and, in the end, recapture God's house. Instead, I saw parishioners reflexively support priests who had molested children by writing glowing letters to bishops and judges, offering them jobs or even raising their bail while cursing the victims, often to their faces.
On a Sunday morning at a parish in Rancho Santa Margarita, I watched congregants lobby to name their new parish hall after their longtime pastor, who had admitted to molesting a boy and who had been barred that day from the ministry. I felt sick to my stomach that the people of God wanted to honor an admitted child molester. Only one person in the crowd, an Orange County sheriff's deputy, spoke out for the victim.
On Good Friday 2002, I decided I couldn't belong to the Catholic Church. Though I had spent a year preparing for it, I didn't go through with the rite of conversion.
Lobdell covered other issues as well, of course, related to Mormons, TBN, and so on. It all snowballed into what seems like a complete loss of faith:
My soul, for lack of a better term, had lost faith long ago — probably around the time I stopped going to church. My brain, which had been in denial, had finally caught up.
Clearly, I saw now that belief in God, no matter how grounded, requires at some point a leap of faith. Either you have the gift of faith or you don't. It's not a choice. It can't be willed into existence. And there's no faking it if you're honest about the state of your soul.
Sitting in a park across the street from the courthouse, I called my wife on a cellphone. I told her I was putting in for a new beat at the paper.
It's a sad story, and not an uncommon one. Several thoughts come to mind. Some of them:
1) The fallibility and sin of professed believers is a powerful counter-witness, especially in a religious tradition, like Christianity - and especially Catholicism - in which "Church" is an organic thing, the Body of Christ, the presence of Christ on earth, one of the "marks" of which is indefectibility.
But the thing is, what Lobdell describes, however awful, is nothing new. Not that he's saying it is, of course. But his justifiable anguish and shock (and God help us when we are not anguished and shocked by these things) could be shared by any Christian during any era, any place. Christianity has never been pure in the human sense, always been a difficult, challenging mix of mostly sinners and a few saints. Read Paul - when he writes to the Corinthians about their immoral behavior and their actions during the Eucharist, he's not talking to outsiders - he's talking to Christians. When he scolds the Galatians, he's talking to the baptized, those who call themselves Christians. We bandy about ancient terms like "Donatists" or "Arians," forgetting that these are not simply ideas, but distillations of reality - Donatism reflects an era in which Christians by the score found themselves unable to pay the ultimate price of loyalty, and perhaps burned some incense to the emperor or signed something or turned over some books, while some of their neighbors went to their deaths, refusing. A scandal. A sad state of affairs. But what was the end of that battle? A purging? If the Donatists had their way, sure. But Augustine had another view.
Christians as individuals betray Christ on a daily basis. Christian institutions do, as well, in small and great ways.
But it's even more complicated than that, for when you really start digging you can get even more confused - and you learn - perhaps in a more sophisticated version of Dr. Teabing's lecture to Sophie Neveau - of the politics inherent in Church life, even in discussions of church teaching and policy. It can be the equivalent of the young fundamentalist Bart Ehrman, by his own account, being exposed to the human hand in the composition of Scripture and losing his faith.
For years, I had online conversations with a friend about the current scandals. I told him over and over that I really didn't understand how the current scandals could be a deal-breaker for one's Catholic faith, and say, the papal history of the 10th century or the bad Renaissance popes was not. Or, as discussed in comments below, in my Ursulines in Montana post, the way that clergy, especially bishops, sometimes treated founders of new religious orders of women from the post-Reformation era on. Or how the Franciscans battled each other for their legacy in the middle ages.
The whole thing is pretty much a mess. And always has been.
Close exposure to this - as journalists, or as an employee of the Church - exacerbates the problem. We have spoken often here of the risk that working for the Church presents to one's faith. But one could make the opposite argument as well. The quips put it best. "I am the worst liturgical abuse at any Mass I attend," said one friend of mine. "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member" said Groucho Marx.
This is not (as long time readers know) to suggeste quiescence or acceptance of sin. It's simply to acknowledge a reality that is as old as the first Pope, huddled in the courtyard, denying Christ by the light of a fire.
It is easy to understand why that reality makes faith impossible for some. It certainly makes it difficult for many. Which brings me to
2) It is interesting to me that many anti-religionists (not talking about Lobdell here) accuse believers of taking an easy way out. Of embracing a sweet vision of life and reality that avoids hard questions, or, in the end, is satisfied with platitudes.
It is not so, is it? For faith is hard. Does anyone really think that faith is easy in the face of the innocent suffering of a child? Or the ravages of Alzheimer's? Or the existence of evil? Or, as we're talking about here, the ironies, paradoxes and counter-witness of the Church?
3) But in the end (at least to me) what is even harder than faith is making sense of reality without God and making sense of what happened 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem, period. It is too late at night for me to ramble on about this (thankfully), but simply put - one's faith in Jesus Christ is faith in Jesus Christ. It is more than a challenge, because that whole "Jesus Christ" thing involves this other thing called "Incarnation" which means that, nonsensically, the God became human as a baby, grew up, and was executed by those he had created out of love. The whole thing is almost impossible from the start, and once you throw in the rest of the billions of us, with all of our sins and blindess, it gets crazier still. And even more painful because of how many of us (all of us, perhaps?) use God as a cover for our sins.
Don't we?
4) It points to the great risk (again, this isn't evident in Lobdell's case, but it brings it to mind) of emphsizing "this local Catholic community" in catechesis. I'm an RCIA veteran, have been to the national workshops, worked in programs, and I know how it was - and perhaps still is, in some areas. We de-emphasize Catholic teaching in favor of the experience of Christ via the hospitality and love and acceptance of the parish. Come join us, we say. We're welcoming. Experience Christ in our midst.
Ideally, we should, yes. See how these Christians love one another. Saints are the greatest witness to the truth of the Gospel. The Catholic faith - the Christian faith - is not a set of disembodied teachings hanging in the air, waiting for our assent. The truths, the presence of Jesus Christ is, indeed mediated. He works thorugh us - that is the definition of Church. The Church is not an absraction, a Platonic ideal. We are back to that Incarnation thing again.
But neither is our faithfulness the proof of the truth of what Jesus Christ taught and who he is. We want it to be - it seems to make sense to us to say that if Jesus is real and present there will be you know...fruit.
Well, there will be. But just as Jesus would not be tempted by Satan in the desert with a test, so it is with the Body of Christ. Again, it's not a matter of "just believe it." There must be fruit. Faith without works is dead. Love one another as I have loved you - this is my commandment. It's a matter of radically putting our faith in Jesus, in honing in on who he was and is in the Church ...despite his appearance.
In brief - as Christians, we hope that our lives and our witness encourage others to see the reality of Jesus Christ. We trust Him to work and love through us. But we would also hope that no one would look at our lives as the reason to believe or not. In fear and trembling and humility, we open our lives and hope they point to God. But no saint who ever lived would proclaim, "Look at me, and believe." No - they would say, "Look at Him."
As I said.
It is hard.
I see this acknowledged, implicitly and sometimes more explicitly in Pope Benedict's writing. A thinking man, he is not a stranger to questions of doubt. A priest for decades, the former head of the CDF, he knows, as he wrote in the Ninth Station of the Stations of the Cross in 2005:
NINTH STATION
Jesus falls for the third timeV/. Adoramus te, Christe, et benedicimus tibi.
R/. Quia per sanctam crucem tuam redemisti mundum.From the Book of Lamentations. 3:27-32
It is good for a man that he bear the yoke in his youth. Let him sit alone in silence when he has laid it on him; let him put his mouth in the dust - there may yet be hope; let him give his cheek to the smiter, and be filled with insults. For the Lord will not cast off for ever, but, though he cause grief, he will have compassion, according to the abundance of his steadfast love.
MEDITATION
What can the third fall of Jesus under the Cross say to us? We have considered the fall of man in general, and the falling of many Christians away from Christ and into a godless secularism. Should we not also think of how much Christ suffers in his own Church? How often is the holy sacrament of his Presence abused, how often must he enter empty and evil hearts! How often do we celebrate only ourselves, without even realizing that he is there! How often is his Word twisted and misused! What little faith is present behind so many theories, so many empty words! How much filth there is in the Church, and even among those who, in the priesthood, ought to belong entirely to him! How much pride, how much self-complacency! What little respect we pay to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, where he waits for us, ready to raise us up whenever we fall! All this is present in his Passion. His betrayal by his disciples, their unworthy reception of his Body and Blood, is certainly the greatest suffering endured by the Redeemer; it pierces his heart. We can only call to him from the depths of our hearts: Kyrie eleison Lord, save us (cf. Mt 8: 25).
PRAYER
Lord, your Church often seems like a boat about to sink, a boat taking in water on every side. In your field we see more weeds than wheat. The soiled garments and face of your Church throw us into confusion. Yet it is we ourselves who have soiled them! It is we who betray you time and time again, after all our lofty words and grand gestures. Have mercy on your Church; within her too, Adam continues to fall. When we fall, we drag you down to earth, and Satan laughs, for he hopes that you will not be able to rise from that fall; he hopes that being dragged down in the fall of your Church, you will remain prostrate and overpowered. But you will rise again. You stood up, you arose and you can also raise us up. Save and sanctify your Church. Save and sanctify us all.
All:
Pater noster, qui es in cælis:
sanctificetur nomen tuum;
adveniat regnum tuum;
fiat voluntas tua, sicut in cælo, et in terra.
Panem nostrum cotidianum da nobis hodie;
et dimitte nobis debita nostra,
sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris;
et ne nos inducas in tentationem;
sed libera nos a malo.Eia mater, fons amoris,
me sentire vim doloris
fac, ut tecum lugeam.
Have mercy on us - all.
Christ was crucified on earth and the Church is crucified in time, and the Church is crucified by all of us, by her members most particularly because she is a Church of sinners...The Church is founded on Peter who denied Christ three times and couldn't walk on the water by himself. All human nature vigorously resists grace because grace changes us and the change is painful. Priests resist it as well as others. To have the Church be what you want it to be would require the continuous miraculous meddling of God in human affairs, whereas it is our dignity that we are allowed more or less to get on with those graces that come through faith and the sacraments and which work thorugh our human nature...Human nature is so faulty that it can resist any amount of grace and most of the time it does. The Church does well to hold her own; you are asking that she show a profit. When she shows a profit you have a saint, not necessarily a canonized one. (Flannery O'Connor to Cecil Dawkins 12/8/58. Habit of Being, 307)
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Comments
I've often thought that the greatest argument for the reality and horror of Hell is exactly what Lobdell describes.
When we come into God's presence, all Truth is present in its fullness. We will have full knowledge of the effects of our cruelty and the full scope of the faith-destroying effects of our sins. We will be able to experience it - feel its effects, and we will have lost the capacity to change.
Those who die as unreconciled sinners will have this vicious destruction of the life of God in others as their eternal legacy, and it will wound them over and over, and yet they will have become completely attached to their sin. Its power to repulse us will keep us in despair and will never stop.
Life is short. Best to repent while you can, seek the graces of the sacraments, and move down the path of growth in the virtues as far as we will let God help us. From the perspective of eternity, nothing else makes sense.
Not too surprising that clergy who behaved as Lobdell describes would make sober reflection on the justice of God, and mature consideration our everlasting fate conspicuous by its absence in their thinking, preaching, and ministry to souls. But all the avoidance, psycobabel, and happytalk in the world won't postpone the Day of Judgment one bit nor get us a free pass from God’s just judgments.
Posted by: Glenn Juday at Jul 22, 2007 3:58:16 AM
One of the great virtues of studying history when young, and particularly of studying the lives of the saints or even biographies of just plain historical folks, is that you find out that the Church includes a lot of fallible people in high, respectable positions. So yeah, you get great sinners; also, you get giant pains in the butt. Maybe even your own parents and siblings (or spouse, even) won't believe you and will try to stop you, or maybe all kinds of unfair trouble and jealousy will come to you.
There is a great deal of realism about people in the lives of the saints (not to mention Holy Scripture!). You may not understand it all as a kid, but it's there when you need to draw on it later on. (Which doesn't make it hurt any less, but at least your conception of the eternal verities includes "people are sometimes going to be incredibly nasty, petty, and evil, including people you like and admire, and who should know better.")
Posted by: Maureen at Jul 22, 2007 5:22:43 AM
Thank you for a beautiful and insightful post, Amy. I need that dose of reality, regularly, daily. And I need His grace even more!
Domine, non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum meum, sed tantum dic verbo et sanabitur anima mea.
Posted by: Fr. Brian Stanley at Jul 22, 2007 7:41:35 AM
One of the reasons why I am so looking forward to my first opportunity to attend the extraordinary form of the Mass is because it truly centers on Christ and the worship of God. It acknowledges that we are sinners in need of a Savior and the worship of God is why we are there.
I have been praying from an old Latin/English missal for some months now. I have no problem with Latin. The Latin Mass has not been allowed in my diocese thus far but I have already written to a priest 40 miles from here who I know loves the Latin. I will make the drive.
I am not at home in my 'community' parish. God loves us , be on our way is the message. We sing about ourselves and how we come to 'tell our story' and 'share a meal'. My pastor told us this year that the Mass is the gathering of the assembly to share a meal and give thanks. As a friend said, we can do that in a restaurant. Or anywhere else for that matter.
But I come to Mass to worship God. We have a distracting round church to 'see Christ in each other'. The pews are angled so that it is hard to have a straight on view of the alter in most pews. One's eyes are drawn past the altar.
When God is put first and our love for HIM grows, it spills over to the love for souls.We have had our focus on man for too long. Lets focus on God and as we truly love HIM and desire to keep His commandments, our charity will follow.
Priests who are in the priesthood because they have a pasionate love for God and for souls because of their love for God will not be abusing little children. They will not be seeking their own comfort and pleasure above all other considerations. People who love God first will work harder on thier marriages and families and will seek to eradicate sin in their lives. Loving God and pleasing Him will color everything else in our lives.
Ave Maria!
Posted by: Ave Maria at Jul 22, 2007 7:58:52 AM
I often wonder how often the "loss" of faith is really a childish rejection of faith as a way of hitting out at God, of trying to hurt Him because we feel disappointed in not having our own timetable met for the full realization of the Kingdom.
"Okay, God, you won't fix all the problems I see in the world now? Then I'm not going to have faith in you. There - how do you like that? Hurts to lose me, doesn't it?"
Then we obfuscate our responsibility for our apostasy by talking of "losing" faith - the way you'd lose your car keys. Lobdell is forthright in this avoidance of responsibility: "Either you have the gift of faith or you don't. It's not a choice."
True, faith is a gift given by God, it cannot be pried from His hand by force, but it is also a choice. Lobdell appears to have made his choice; let's pray he reverses himself before death.
Posted by: Cornelius at Jul 22, 2007 8:37:09 AM
Thanks, Amy, for this excellent article. The whole matter of spiritual formation in social context (for want of a better term) for which this is a good example, I think, is crucial nowadays. While there are books on spirtual formation on the one hand and books on ecclesiology on the other and in both cases varying amounts of attention to dealing with sin, I'm not as aware as I'd like to be of materials that wrestle with the interaction, as you do in this article and as in the Ursaline book you review. Might you have a recommended booklist on this general topic lying around somewhere?
Posted by: Thomas at Jul 22, 2007 8:40:37 AM
Awesome post, nay, meditation Amy. Thank you.
Cheers from Canada.
Tony
Posted by: Tony at Jul 22, 2007 9:02:54 AM
I'm in tears and it isn't even 6:30 out here yet!
God bless you Amy!
Posted by: Gibbons in SF at Jul 22, 2007 9:25:07 AM
Amy, that needed saying. The recent scandal, as you point out but one of a long series, has actually served to deepen my faith. It is with insights such as yours that this has been possible.
The chief sinner of his time, St. Paul, said:
"This saying is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. Of these I am the foremost. But for that reason I was mercifully treated, so that in me, as the foremost, Christ Jesus might display all his patience as an example for those who would come to believe in him for everlasting life."
The Church would be fine if it wasn't for us people. Thankfully, we are exactly what God wants.
Posted by: Joseph R. Wilson at Jul 22, 2007 9:27:02 AM
The "Confetior" says it all for all: I confess to almighty God, and you my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault, in my thoughts, in my words, in what I have done and what I have failed to do. And I ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord Our God. Amen." Unfortunately this beautiful prayer, what I call the great equalizer and leveler, is prayed so little in Mass, at least in my neck of the woods in western south dakota. It is a genuine spiritual balm and medicine for all of us as we prepare to enter the Holy of Holies today.
Peace to all.
Posted by: ohevin at Jul 22, 2007 10:26:38 AM
Great post Amy; and it is always sad to hear of a person losing faith, but there is always time to regain it, and our prayers are for that.
And yes, it is hard.
It is meant to be hard.
The rock the Church is built on is an apt vision of the work we need to always do in this world whose prince continually tears at our aspirations for eternity but whose Lord is always there to comfort and guide us.
Posted by: David H. Lukenbill at Jul 22, 2007 11:28:50 AM
I was struck by this line from Mr. Lobdell's piece.
"In one e-mail, I asked John, who had lost a daughter to cancer, why an atheist businessman prospers and the child of devout Christian parents dies."
With all due respect to Mr. Lobdell did he ever actually read the Bible? Job? The prophets? Christ's parable of Lazarus and the Rich man? Any of the hundreds of other passages in the Bible that deal with this issue? This is the type of question I would expect from say a 14 year old, who has never opened the Bible, mixing a little religious rebellion in with typical teen rebellion against parents. From a highly educated man who is a religion reporter I find this a shockingly shallow question. From this question it sounds that while Mr. Lobdell may have had a conversion of the heart, his brain was not really engaged with even the simplest issues that will come up in regard to God and His creation. No wonder that he lost his faith when he made the shocking discovery that very religious people, or people who appear outwardly religious, can do terrible things. A simple perusal of the Bible of course would quickly have brought to the fore such names as Judas, King David and his adultery, etc.
I hope Mr. Lobdell will come to faith again in Christ, and I hope next time he brings his brain as well as his heart.
Posted by: Donald R. McClarey at Jul 22, 2007 12:05:48 PM
This is very sad, indeed. Hopefully, he will again accept the gift of faith. (Because, though it is a gift, ultimately we either accept or reject it.)
However, in the end, will those who drove him away because of their non-Christian lives (and I'm positive that I usually could fall into that group easily) more to blame than he is?
I pray that I am not the cause of someone losing his faith. In the meantime, we all should pray for fallen-away Christians to be reunited with Christ's Church.
Posted by: The Soccer Mom at Jul 22, 2007 2:23:21 PM
Can't remember where I read this, but it seems apt: "I put my faith in God; if I had put my faith in man, I would have quit (the Church) a long time ago."
Posted by: Rose at Jul 22, 2007 2:51:32 PM
Thank you, Amy. Mr. Lobdell's loss of faith is sad, and your comments are telling and moving.
What the erring priests did, however, while even more of a violation than ordinary child molestation, does include molesting a child. People--not just Catholics, not just bishops--are weirdly ambivalent about child molestation. There is a saying that fits the denying and forgiving behavior that rightly repels Lobdell: "Everyone hates a child molester until he knows one."
I pray that Lobdell regains his faith.
Posted by: MCG at Jul 22, 2007 3:06:04 PM
I live in Los Angeles, and as a result I have been exposed to a tidal wave of indignation directed at the Church. It has caused me to reflect on why I love the Church, and why the scandal has not had any effect on that love.
I understand the Church to be not just anyone who outwardly claims to be a Catholic; rather, I understand the Church to consist of her teachings and to be human only to the extent her members live in accordance with those teachings. A priest who abuses a child is not living out the Catholic faith; and as it is not the faith, it is not the Church. In short the Church is not a human institution, it is divine, it is the mystical body of Christ. I’m not sure from where I received this understanding of the Church and I am not 100% sure it is theologically correct, although I believe it is (others can correct me if I’m wrong). But because I have this understanding, I’ve never really understood people who judge Catholicism based on anecdotal encounters with Catholics. It is true that the faith should bear good fruit, and I think it does presently and has historically, but to think it will automatically make all Catholics saints reflects assumptions that are unsound both theologically (Catholicism teaches that we are all sinners, even the saints) and as a matter of common sense.
At the common sense level, I would compare the Church to a national chain of exercise & diet clubs. Should we expect that all members of the clubs will be perfectly fit and thin? Of course not. Might some instructors in the clubs be hypocrites who don’t exercise enough themselves and overeat? It’s going to happen, especially in a tight labor market. But despite all this we should expect that if the club’s guidelines are true those who adhere to them will be thinner and more fit. And they will be, just as faithful Catholics will be, and are, better people to the extent they live out their faith.
Just as exercise clubs have some members who are lax in their practice, so does Catholicism. And this of course is not at all new. This quote from St. Augustine’s City of God written in the early 400s, sums it up very well:
“But let [the pilgrim city of King Christ] bear in mind, that among her enemies lie hid those who are destined to be fellow-citizens, that she may not think it a fruitless labor to bear what they inflict as enemies until they become confessors of the faith. So, too, as long as she is a stranger in the world, the city of God has in her communion, and bound to her by the sacraments, some who shall not eternally dwell in the lot of the saints. Of these, some are not now recognized; others declare themselves, and do not hesitate to make common cause with our enemies in murmuring against God, whose sacramental badge they wear. These men you may today see thronging the churches with us, tomorrow crowding the theatres with the godless. But we have the less reason to despair of the reclamation of such persons, if among our declared enemies there are now some, unknown to themselves, who are destined to become our friends. In truth, these two cities are entangled together in this world, and intermixed until the last judgment effect their separation.”
Posted by: Dan at Jul 22, 2007 3:11:03 PM
Amy-
This is a very valuable reflection. I will pass it on to fellow Catholics.
Mike
Posted by: Mike at Jul 22, 2007 5:46:32 PM
I agree with Mike. Again. Superb post, Amy.
Posted by: Mike Petrik at Jul 22, 2007 8:32:28 PM
his brain was not really engaged with even the simplest issues that will come up in regard to God and His creation. No wonder that he lost his faith when he made the shocking discovery that very religious people, or people who appear outwardly religious, can do terrible things.
I think it's the other way around--- one can read the stories of Job or David or Paul all day long and accept their lessons intellectually. To experience tragedy or evil firsthand challenges the heart.
Posted by: sj at Jul 22, 2007 11:47:56 PM
Something that should be mentioned but that rarely is, in connection with these scandals, is that the bishops like Mahony who cover up for them are usually not Catholics. By this I mean that although baptised as Catholics and holding office in the Catholic Church, they explicitly reject the faith, and use their power to try and eradicate it. That is clearly the case with Mahony (as it was with Cardinal Bernardin). It is thus a bit misleading to blame the Catholic Church for these crimes. Unfortunately behind this exculpatory fact is the deeper scandal of prelates who do not believe, but nonetheless are promoted to their posts by Rome, and supported by most of the faithful, who turn a blind eye to their crimes as they used to do to sexual abuse.
Posted by: John L at Jul 23, 2007 4:13:48 AM
Jesus told us in countless ways not to be smug about our faith.
"A sower went out to sow.... Some fell on rocky ground, where it had little soil. It sprang up at once because the soil was not deep, and when the sun rose it was scorched, and it withered for lack of roots."
Posted by: Fr. Larry Gearhart at Jul 23, 2007 7:54:02 AM
"To experience tragedy or evil firsthand challenges the heart."
For some people perhaps. When great, and seemingly senseless tragedy, entered my life, I was very thankful that intellectually I understood why God did not simply banish such evil from His universe.
Posted by: Donald R. McClarey at Jul 23, 2007 9:08:02 AM
Amy-
Wonderful commentary and summary re: faith.
I'm not so sure Lobdell lost his faith, although that is what he's claiming and you're pointing out. I think he's exposing the error of having too much *faith* in an institutional Church and the flawed people who support it. That has been my problem also at times and I have learned that while I love Mother Church, I often struggle with her children. To quote my own mother: "Church would be so great if I did not have to deal with all these people."
Our evangelical brethren have it correct: that personal relationship with the Lord Jesus as Savior and Brother will get us through any sort of awful institutional Church experience. It has for me, and from what I'm reading above, it has for you.
I pray that somehow Mr. Lobdell finds that first love again. His first step might be to stop writing about religion for the LA Times...
Peace!
Posted by: Brigid at Jul 23, 2007 10:50:51 AM
The great Jesuit poet Gerard Manly Hopkins asked the same question as Mr Lobdell:
Thou art indeed just, Lord, if I contend
With thee; but, sir, so what I plead is just.
Why do sinners' ways prosper? and why must
Disappointment all I endeavour end?
Wert thou my enemy, O thou my friend,
How wouldst thou worse, I wonder, than thou dost
Defeat, thwart me? Oh, the sots and thralls of lust
Do in spare hours more thrive than I that spend,
Sir, life upon thy cause. See, banks and brakes
Now, leavèd how thick! lacèd they are again
With fretty chervil, look, and fresh wind shakes
Them; birds build--but not I build; no, but strain,
Time's eunuch, and not breed one work that wakes.
Mine, O thou lord of life, send my roots rain.
Gerard Manley Hopkins
Posted by: Sr. Lorraine at Jul 23, 2007 11:15:03 AM
I wrote a long email to Mr Lobdell the essence of which was to say that there are three ways to respond to the evil in the Church. One is to be a pollyanna and live in denial of the bad. Two is to allow yourself to be overwhelmed by the negatives. The third way is to be a realist. By realist, I mean to assign the positive and negative their proper weights in relation to one another. To say that the Church, or the world for that matter, is more good than bad, even for those that suffer, does not minimize or ignore the evil that we find in it. It is simply to see the world and the Church as it really is.
It seems like this man was running into a lot of people in flat out denial. In response, he went the other way and was overcome by despair. His is without a doubt the more honest reaction. He no doubt feels like he is at least looking the evil in the eye and not downplaying it. This is only right. We can't with any honesty downplay the existence of evil and from this episode, we can all learn the irreparable harm that we can do to others when try.
For me, the advice to just focus on Jesus and not the Church, is the same as excusing the Church of all responsibility. The better response to work to restore an accurate and balance view in a person who has lost it and sees nothing good in the Church anymore. Encourage that persons sense of appropriate outrage at the business as usual attitude of other Christians but also remind that person of the fact that the Church has done far more good than bad in its 2000 years.
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